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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by nico »

bilekas wrote: post #16

This is so stupid its exactly what you would expect in congress. If this was to go through, of course OpenAI and co will be the primary lobbiests to ensure they get to define the filters for such a license. Also how would you even enforce this. It's absolute nonsense and is a clear indicator that these larger companies realize there is no 'gatekeeping' these AI's, that the democratization of models has demonstrated i…

It is nonsense, yet a similar thing happened recently with texting

Before Twilio et al, if you wanted to text a lot of your customers automatically, you had to pay thousands of dollars in setup and recurrent fees to rent a shortcode number

But then, with Twilio et al, you don’t need a shortcode anymore

The telcos told the regulators this would create endless spam, so they would regulate it themselves, and created a consortium to “end spam”

Now you are forced to get a license from them, pay a monthly fee, get audited, and they still let pretty much all the spam through, while they also randomly block a certain % of your messages, even if you are fully compliant

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ramraj07 wrote: post #135
srslack wrote: post #9

Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Then imagine willfully hyping up and scaring people who don't understand, and because it can predict words you take advantage of the human tendency to anthropomorphize, so it follows that it is something capable of generalized and adaptable intelligence. Shame on all of the people involved in…

Imagine being supposedly at the forefront of AI or engineering and being the last people (if ever) to concede simple concepts could materialize complex intelligence. Even the publicly released version of this thing is doing insane tasks, passes any meaningful version of a Turing test, reasons it's way into nearly every professional certification exam out there, and you're still insisting its not smart or worrying bec…

your comment reads to me as totally disconnected to the OP, whose concern relates to using the appearance of intelligence as a scare tactic to build a regulatory moat.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by lettergram »

elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

I made something just for writing your congress person / senator, using generative AI ironically: https://vocalvoters.com/

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by throwaway71271 »

elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #154
elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

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Quite. Meanwhile on the rest of the internet people are gleefully promoting AI as a means of firing every single person who writes words for a living. Or draws art.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by chaxor »

rdedev wrote: post #146
chaxor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about the papers showing mathematical proofs that GNNs (i.e. GATs/transformers) are dynamic programmers and therefore perform algorithmic reasoning? The fact that these systems can extrapolate well beyond their training data by learning algorithms is quite different than what has come before, and anyone stating that they "simply" predict next token is severely shortsighted. Things don't have to be '…

To be fair LLMs are predicting the next token. It's just that to get better and better predictions it needs to understand some level of reasoning and math. However it feels to me that a lot of this reasoning is brute forced from the training data. Like chatgpt gets some things wrong when adding two very large numbers. If it really knew the algorithm for adding two numbers it shouldn't be making them in the first plac…

Of course it predict the next token. Every single person on earth knows that so it's not worth repeating at all.

As for the fact that it gets things wrong sometimes - sure, this doesn't say it actually learned every algorithm (in whichever model you may be thinking about). But the nice thing is that we now have this proof via category theory, and it allows us to both frame and understand what has occurred, and to consider how to align the systems to learn algorithms better.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by elil17 »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #154
elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

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I mean, it will? Not universally, but for the specific products I work on we use additional labor when we include AI-enabled features (due to installing and wiring processors and sensors).

I think that that the sorts of AI that smaller companies make will be more likely to create jobs as opposed to getting rid of them since they are more likely to be integrated with physical products.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by sva_ »

It seems pretty clear at this point, that OpenAI etc will lobby towards making it more difficult for new companies/entities to join the AI space, all in the name of 'safety'. They're trying to make the case that everyone should use AI through their APIs so that they can keep things in check.

Conveniently this also helps them build a monopoly. It is pretty aggravating that they're bastardizing and abusing terms like 'safety' and 'democratization' while doing this. I hope they'll fail in their attempts, or that the competition rolls over them rather sooner than later.

I personally think that the greatest threat in these technologies is currently the centralization of their economic potential, as it will lead to an uneven spread of their productivity gains, further divide poor and rich, and thus threaten the order of our society.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by agentultra »

rdedev wrote: post #146
chaxor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about the papers showing mathematical proofs that GNNs (i.e. GATs/transformers) are dynamic programmers and therefore perform algorithmic reasoning? The fact that these systems can extrapolate well beyond their training data by learning algorithms is quite different than what has come before, and anyone stating that they "simply" predict next token is severely shortsighted. Things don't have to be '…

To be fair LLMs are predicting the next token. It's just that to get better and better predictions it needs to understand some level of reasoning and math. However it feels to me that a lot of this reasoning is brute forced from the training data. Like chatgpt gets some things wrong when adding two very large numbers. If it really knew the algorithm for adding two numbers it shouldn't be making them in the first plac…

And LLMs will never be able to reason about mathematical objects and proofs. You cannot learn the truth of a statement by reading more tokens.

A system that can will probably adopt a different acronym (and gosh that will be an exciting development... I look forward to the day when we can dispatch trivial proofs to be formalized by a machine learning algorithm so that we can focus on the interesting parts while still having the entire proof formalized).

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by adamsmith143 »

srslack wrote: post #9

Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Then imagine willfully hyping up and scaring people who don't understand, and because it can predict words you take advantage of the human tendency to anthropomorphize, so it follows that it is something capable of generalized and adaptable intelligence. Shame on all of the people involved in…

"It's just a stochastic parrot" is one of the dumbest takes on LLM's of all time.
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