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Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by dist-epoch »

prepend wrote: post #64
quickthrower2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you not had coffee with fresh ground beans less than 4 weeks after roast? If not get to your nearest real coffee shop pronto!

I have and it’s nice. Would not drink it if not for the caffeine. The history of coffee is interesting to me. Although I don’t have a link, coffee was introduced to addict populations to facilitate trade. It’s funny that trading companies were key to the adoption of tea and coffee consumptions so they had a commodity that they could trade across the world. It’s kind of like oil in that the world needs lots of it and…

> addict populations to facilitate trade

That's a bit of a stretch. You could say that about any popular products - smartphones, soap, ...

Some say the industrial revolution was facilitated by the switch of Western people from alcohol based drinks to caffeine based ones.

> Those who drank coffee instead of alcohol began the day alert and stimulated, rather than relaxed and mildly inebriated, and the quality and quantity of their work improved … Western Europe began to emerge from an alcoholic haze that had lasted for centuries.”

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by j45 »

anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

It might still be used in other countries.

Might even be unknowingly imported into other countries

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by quaintdev »

anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

I wonder what chemicals from today we are going to declare toxic in next 20 years

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Post by TeMPOraL »

swarnie wrote: post #58
croes wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine this headline A widely known basketball team wins NBA finals Clickbait?

Depends on the audience i guess, im not sure i can name a basketball team. Does the average reader of science.org know what trichloroethylene is without a prompt?

>> A widely known basketball team wins NBA finals

> Depends on the audience i guess, im not sure i can name a basketball team.

It's bordering on tautology. After all, who else would win National Basketball Association finals - a soccer team? A more astute reader will also observe that NBA finals aren't something casually won by random teams nobody heard of - by the time they get to the finals, the team is already widely-known.

Equally informative, but non-clickbait version of the headline, would be "NBA finals complete" - or, for basketball fans, "Today is 18th of June, 2023".

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by jjkaczor »

coldtea wrote: post #19
andy_ppp wrote: post #14

What would happen that was bad if we banned this until we had more safety evidence?

Some companies would lose money. We can't allow that.

Exactly.

Asbestos has been banned for most usage in Canada since the early 1990's.

However... Canada continues to be one of the biggest exporter of Asbestos in global-trade.

Can't allow multi-national - and national corporations with local holdings to not turn a profit, right? After all - there are local jobs that are more important... (well, until the taxes collected on those activities are outweighed by the healthcare costs of the local population as they age...)

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Post by j45 »

croes wrote: post #50
softwaredoug wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not clickbait when they tell you right away and give you a detailed story of the context and evidence behind what they learned

Of course clickbait because you need to click to get the name.

If an article has context and substance to understand the impact, is the name that important in the title?

Could it be that upon learning the name, the reader would want to determine context and applicability to their life?

There’s a subtle line between a hook and bait. Maybe this type of a title makes. A scientific topic more approachable.

I’m not sure I’d title it the same way, but it is generating discussion and awareness :)

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Post by Joker_vD »

refurb wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #14

What would happen that was bad if we banned this until we had more safety evidence?

We’d still be using carbon tetrachloride which is even more toxic? TCE was a safer alternative.

Safer? CC4 decomposes into phosgene at high (about 250 Celcius) temperature, which is why using it in fire extinguishers was a bad idea but TCE does that when simply exposed to light, at room temperature. And if those LD/LC numbers that I'm looking at are correct, TCE is actually slightly more toxic.

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by j45 »

croes wrote: post #72
kadoban wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because if you had the name you'd have no further questions. There's just no way to condense enough important information into the headline, and the chemical name would mean nothing for 99% of people.

If I already know TCE is dangerous and need to be avoided I might not need to read the article or I could if I need further information. But if I need to click to get the basic information it's clickbait.

Could the article be primarily written for people who don’t know about TCE?
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