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Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

pmoriarty wrote: post #10

"After adjusting for differences in age, sex, race, and ethnicity, the scientists found veterans from Camp Lejeune had a 70% higher rate of Parkinson’s disease than the Camp Pendleton group." Why didn't they adjust for socioeconomic status? Wealthier people tend to be able to afford better medical care, live in healthier environments, eat healthier foods, etc. These could all be confounding factors, and a study like…

Yeah and as well as soldiers being exposed to different chemicals & other circumstances then the general population. Would be great if they would compare it with other army base around the same time.

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Post by criley2 »

coldtea wrote: post #20
eimrine wrote: post #3

When you drink your coffee without caffeine in your 30 for escaping a harm from caffeine, but end up with Parkinson in your 60+.

Never exchange the "devil you know", especially if it's natural and has been used for centuries by billions, for some novel lab-made crap, proprietary owned, and marketed to death. Not to mention when getting it has been the whole point of drinking coffee in the first place.

This is a rather explicit use of the Naturalistic Fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by ekianjo »

70% higher risk is meaningless if you don't give the absolute risk. Common issue with this kind of reporting...

EDIT: my bad, they did talk about the absolute risk later on. Should have been the first thing they mention, though, to avoid looking sensationalist.

> The researchers calculated the rate of Parkinson’s disease in the veterans and compared it with the rate in more than 72,000 veterans who lived at Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, a similar training ground in California where there were not high levels of TCE. By 2021, 279 of the Camp Lejeune veterans, or 0.33%, had developed Parkinson’s versus 151 of those at Camp Pendleton, or 0.21%.

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Post by prepend »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #43
dist-epoch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you drink coffee if not for the caffeine. It's not exactly the most delicious drink.

Have you not had coffee with fresh ground beans less than 4 weeks after roast? If not get to your nearest real coffee shop pronto!

I have and it’s nice.

Would not drink it if not for the caffeine.

The history of coffee is interesting to me. Although I don’t have a link, coffee was introduced to addict populations to facilitate trade. It’s funny that trading companies were key to the adoption of tea and coffee consumptions so they had a commodity that they could trade across the world. It’s kind of like oil in that the world needs lots of it and there’s money to be made in production and transport.

Or it could be that people just really like tea and coffee and the trading companies just met the unrealized need.

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Post by kadoban »

croes wrote: post #50
softwaredoug wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not clickbait when they tell you right away and give you a detailed story of the context and evidence behind what they learned

Of course clickbait because you need to click to get the name.

Yeah, because if you had the name you'd have no further questions.

There's just no way to condense enough important information into the headline, and the chemical name would mean nothing for 99% of people.

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Post by rpvnwnkl »

anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

Still in use at screen-printing shops. Check out ‘Plastisol Remover’: https://sourceone.nazdar.com/P/4377/Triple-Blend-Liquid-Cure...

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Post by bronson »

criley2 wrote: post #62
coldtea wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never exchange the "devil you know", especially if it's natural and has been used for centuries by billions, for some novel lab-made crap, proprietary owned, and marketed to death. Not to mention when getting it has been the whole point of drinking coffee in the first place.

This is a rather explicit use of the Naturalistic Fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

"The naturalistic fallacy should not be confused with the appeal to nature..." (3rd paragraph in your link)

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Post by doctor_eval »

swarnie wrote: post #58
croes wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine this headline A widely known basketball team wins NBA finals Clickbait?

Depends on the audience i guess, im not sure i can name a basketball team. Does the average reader of science.org know what trichloroethylene is without a prompt?

I read science.org, I’m pretty average, and I don’t know what it is.

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Post by bilbo0s »

gabaix wrote: post #41
anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

Some of the most populated zones of the Bay Area are built on top of superfund sites, which have high concentration of TCE underground. https://www.epa.gov/superfund-redevelopment/superfund-sites-...

Well one problem is that "Some of the most populated zones of" everywhere are superfund sites. Another, I learned long ago in the real estate business, is that superfund sites are just the sites they've taken the trouble to bother "cleaning up". As the article alludes to, it's not the documented TCE sites we need to worry about, it's the undocumented TCE sites that will likely get the average person. This same rule applies to real estate development.

One of the dirty secrets of development is that we really have just poisoned a lot of our environment. Now you can work around that in real estate dev because there are creative ways to interpret disclosure regulations. But Mother Nature doesn't care about such tricks. She has a set of, (in this case chemical), rules and if they're broken, she'll happily punish you without a second thought.

I'm not sure how we solve the issue of toxins in our environment? It gets complex not only because of the competing interests, but also because research like this will continue to come out, and something we didn't think was a problem, will turn out to have been a problem. So you're in a situation where you know a lot. You even learn more everyday. But you don't know what you don't know.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

ekianjo wrote: post #63

70% higher risk is meaningless if you don't give the absolute risk. Common issue with this kind of reporting... EDIT: my bad, they did talk about the absolute risk later on. Should have been the first thing they mention, though, to avoid looking sensationalist. > The researchers calculated the rate of Parkinson’s disease in the veterans and compared it with the rate in more than 72,000 veterans who lived at Marine Co…

> Should have been the first thing they mention, though, to avoid looking sensationalist.

There isn't a whole lot they can do if you don't actually read the article. I always try to read the article before I pass judgement on whether it's sensationalized or not.

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