U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr

Post by pauldenton » Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:22 PM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #93

Dig1t wrote: post #45

So many people are okay with unconstitutional things as long as it supports their side and beliefs. It is genuinely unsettling. Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. A decade from now we have no idea what the political climate will be. If the precedent i…

> Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. Words won't protect you. Precedent won't protect you. Guns won't protect you. If you are in a society where others want you surveiled or dead or removed or heavily restricted, and you're outnumbered, it's already t…

Post by pauldenton » Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:30 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #97

Dig1t wrote: post #45

So many people are okay with unconstitutional things as long as it supports their side and beliefs. It is genuinely unsettling. Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. A decade from now we have no idea what the political climate will be. If the precedent i…

I get what you're saying, but on the other hand abortion protesters have a habit of assassinating doctors that perform abortions.

Post by shrimp_emoji » Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

WeylandYutani wrote: post #176

majormajor wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. Words won't protect you. Precedent won't protect you. Guns won't protect you. If you are in a society where others want you surveiled or dead or removed or heavily restricted, and you're outnumbered, it's already t…

Very true. I have my issues with the Netherlands (no country is perfect) but the majority is atheist and religion holds no power here.

Post by mullingitover » Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #178

mullingitover wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Abortion was illegal in every state in the US by 1910. Let's be clear about what was illegal, because the radical definition, 'life begins at fertilization', is a recent innovation[1]: > Abortion was not always a crime. During the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, abortion of early pregnancy was legal under common law.[22] Abortions were illegal only after "quickening," the point at which a pregnant woman…

I’m not talking about the common law. Due to medical advances in the 1800s, abortion was illegal at all stages of pregnancy in the US by 1910. Also, “life begins at conception,” or at another very early stage, isn’t a Christian innovation. That’s the belief in Shia Islam. Certain Sunni schools also prohibit abortion at any stage. In Thailand, a Buddhist country, abortion was illegal at all stages of pregnancy until 2…

Post by AtlasBarfed » Mon, May 15, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

IntrepidWorm wrote: post #113

Dig1t wrote: post #45

So many people are okay with unconstitutional things as long as it supports their side and beliefs. It is genuinely unsettling. Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. A decade from now we have no idea what the political climate will be. If the precedent i…

You have highlighted the core basis of Foucault's Boomarang: it doesn't matter the target of oppresive technologies and practices. Sooner or later, their scope will be turned on you.