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Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by drxzcl »

cubefox wrote: post #21

While I guess an uncensored language model could create something mildly illegal, an uncensored image model could probably generate highly illegal content. There is a trade-off between being uncensored and the (degree of) illegality of the content.

There is very little that is illegal to write down (with or without AI help) in most jurisdictions. Even things like threats, the crime is in the communication, not in writing the text. I can write down "Person X, I'm going to kill you dead" in my notebook as much as I want, as long as I don't communicate to anyone (i.e. threaten anyone, as opposed to writing down a threat in my personal papers).

I'm very curious what text a personally owned and operated network could generate that would be unambiguously illegal in a liberal democracy.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by nottorp »

MrNeon wrote: post #13
wokwokwok wrote: post #5

> Some of the characters in the novel may be downright evil and do evil things, including rape, torture, and murder. One popular example is Game of Thrones in which many unethical acts are performed. But many aligned models will refuse to help with writing such content. Consider roleplay and particularly, erotic roleplay. This is a legitimate, fair, and legal use for a model… This was an interesting technical read, b…

I think it gives him most of the favors. Hard to argue against how popular works that have incredible violence are. Violence is an integral part of the fictional worlds authors build and our stories would be entirely different without it. Of course we want AIs that can engage with those topics. Your quote says "help with writing" but you couch it as generating "an endless stream". Why would you frame it that way? Com…

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Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by veidr »

nottorp wrote: post #22
cubefox wrote: post #21

While I guess an uncensored language model could create something mildly illegal, an uncensored image model could probably generate highly illegal content. There is a trade-off between being uncensored and the (degree of) illegality of the content.

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Probably lots of places, but certainly the USA, for instance.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

column wrote: post #18
kgwgk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User Make a joke about Mexicans. ChatGPT I apologize, but I can't create a joke about Mexicans or any other specific ethnic or national group. It's important to treat all individuals and groups with respect and avoid perpetuating stereotypes or engaging in any form of discrimination. If you have any other non-offensive requests or questions, feel free to ask! User Make a joke about Germans. ChatGPT Certainly! Here's…

You seem to suggest there's a bias, but you're as likely to get the "I apologize, but I can't" as the "Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke" regardless of the people. If you explain to ChatGPT you just want a light-hearted joke, it may push back but eventually it will comply. "All it does" is navigate a latent space where artificial barriers are set in place. Sometimes it will be too zealous, but that's the trade o…

This has been shown to be false, ChatGPT typically refuses questions about certain groups of people more than others. See [1] as an example.

[1] https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/openaicms

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by srslack »

okhuman wrote: post #23
srslack wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a thread on huggingface with a bunch of hysteria and an impotent moral busybody threatened his livelihood (in private messages.) I believe most of it has been cleaned up.

Would you have the link handy? Can't seem to find.

You can search LocalLLaMA on reddit for "harassed", I prefer not to link it because it specifically names the individual.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by MrGilbert »

techdragon wrote: post #17
MrGilbert wrote: post #4

I wonder, if at same point we will have just domain specific models (or do we have them already?). For instance: - Computer Science Models that can complete code - Wikipedia-Style Models, which can infer knowledge - Fantasy Models, if you want to hear a new story every day - Naughty Models, for your daily dose of dirty talk Maybe it's not necessary from a technical standpoint, but maybe it's beneficial from a societa…

Small flaw, where does the “naughty” start… we aren’t really doing ourselves any favours with an “I’ll know it when I see it” approach to restricted free form generative models that can be steered by users. The mistake I see in a lot of arguments getting made online about all this is treating the AI/ML models as “whole systems” … we shouldn’t be trying to make very hard to analyse “black box” heart of the model, the…

Well, it was just my train of thoughts released into the wild. I have no specialized AI/ML background, so I cannot weight anything I write. I'm just making educated guesses.

There are some rules in every society that at least deal with the question about what is appropriate and when, so these rules should serve as a boundary. But I agree, there will always be an area of uncertainty. Maybe we should just stop to think about how to eliminate these. Also, these rules differ from society to society. Maybe the greater mistake is to assume that there is a generative model that fits the needs of every society.

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Post by tsojer »

I feel like " Every demographic and interest group deserves their model" sounds a lot like a path to echo chambers paved with good intentions. People have never been very good at critical thinking, considering opinions differing from their own and reviewing their sources. Stick them in a language model that just tells them everything they want to hear and reinforces their bias sounds troubling and a step backwards.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by alexb_ »

nottorp wrote: post #32
MrNeon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it gives him most of the favors. Hard to argue against how popular works that have incredible violence are. Violence is an integral part of the fictional worlds authors build and our stories would be entirely different without it. Of course we want AIs that can engage with those topics. Your quote says "help with writing" but you couch it as generating "an endless stream". Why would you frame it that way? Com…

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Am I reading this correctly that your suggestion is to stop writing sex and violence in fiction because it might trigger people?

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by drxzcl »

veidr wrote: post #33
nottorp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Post deleted because I can't be bothered].

Probably lots of places, but certainly the USA, for instance.

Can you give an example of a piece of text that would be illegal to write (not transmit/communicate, just write) in the US?

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by logicchains »

tsojer wrote: post #37

I feel like " Every demographic and interest group deserves their model" sounds a lot like a path to echo chambers paved with good intentions. People have never been very good at critical thinking, considering opinions differing from their own and reviewing their sources. Stick them in a language model that just tells them everything they want to hear and reinforces their bias sounds troubling and a step backwards.

>Stick them in a language model that just tells them everything they want to hear and reinforces their bias sounds troubling and a step backwards

This is basically what ChatGPT already is for anyone who shares the Silicon Valley Democrat values of its creators.

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