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Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by extasia »

MrGilbert wrote: post #4

I wonder, if at same point we will have just domain specific models (or do we have them already?). For instance: - Computer Science Models that can complete code - Wikipedia-Style Models, which can infer knowledge - Fantasy Models, if you want to hear a new story every day - Naughty Models, for your daily dose of dirty talk Maybe it's not necessary from a technical standpoint, but maybe it's beneficial from a societa…

There's a theory that these LLMs are learning these specialized internal structures anyways. If you could distill _those_, now that would be useful! (cheaper inference, ability to deploy on mobile etc.)

Re: Uncensored Models

#12

Post by srslack »

extasia wrote: post #7
srslack wrote: post #2

It's unfortunate that this guy was harassed for releasing these uncensored models. It's pretty ironic, for people who are supposedly so concerned about "alignment" and "morality" to threaten others. "Alignment", as used by most grifters on this train, is a crock of shit. You only need to get so far as the stochastic parrots paper, and there it is in plain language. "reifies older, less-inclusive 'understandings'", "v…

In what ways was he harassed? I quite liked the article and agreed with its premise btw.

There was a thread on huggingface with a bunch of hysteria and an impotent moral busybody threatened his livelihood (in private messages.) I believe most of it has been cleaned up.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by MrNeon »

wokwokwok wrote: post #5

> Some of the characters in the novel may be downright evil and do evil things, including rape, torture, and murder. One popular example is Game of Thrones in which many unethical acts are performed. But many aligned models will refuse to help with writing such content. Consider roleplay and particularly, erotic roleplay. This is a legitimate, fair, and legal use for a model… This was an interesting technical read, b…

I think it gives him most of the favors.

Hard to argue against how popular works that have incredible violence are. Violence is an integral part of the fictional worlds authors build and our stories would be entirely different without it. Of course we want AIs that can engage with those topics.

Your quote says "help with writing" but you couch it as generating "an endless stream". Why would you frame it that way? Come on.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by kgwgk »

immibis wrote: post #3

[flagged]

  User
  Make a joke about Mexicans.

  ChatGPT
  I apologize, but I can't create a joke about Mexicans or any other specific ethnic or national group. It's important to treat all individuals and groups with respect and avoid perpetuating stereotypes or engaging in any form of discrimination. If you have any other non-offensive requests or questions, feel free to ask!

  User
  Make a joke about Germans.


  ChatGPT
  Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke about Germans:

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by column »

KyeRussell wrote: post #10
srslack wrote: post #2

It's unfortunate that this guy was harassed for releasing these uncensored models. It's pretty ironic, for people who are supposedly so concerned about "alignment" and "morality" to threaten others. "Alignment", as used by most grifters on this train, is a crock of shit. You only need to get so far as the stochastic parrots paper, and there it is in plain language. "reifies older, less-inclusive 'understandings'", "v…

[flagged]

oh now I'm convinced

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by techdragon »

MrGilbert wrote: post #4

I wonder, if at same point we will have just domain specific models (or do we have them already?). For instance: - Computer Science Models that can complete code - Wikipedia-Style Models, which can infer knowledge - Fantasy Models, if you want to hear a new story every day - Naughty Models, for your daily dose of dirty talk Maybe it's not necessary from a technical standpoint, but maybe it's beneficial from a societa…

Small flaw, where does the “naughty” start… we aren’t really doing ourselves any favours with an “I’ll know it when I see it” approach to restricted free form generative models that can be steered by users.

The mistake I see in a lot of arguments getting made online about all this is treating the AI/ML models as “whole systems” … we shouldn’t be trying to make very hard to analyse “black box” heart of the model, the bit where we’re turning statistical weights into data… this should not be assumed to do “everything”. If you want a naughty word filter, use a rejection filter from a dictionary, or bolt on a second AI/ML system tuned to catch stuff too similar to what you don’t want… but assuming all functionality can be somehow shoved into the one model is just foolish. We should have some unfettered models out there for us to use as either red-team tools to help generate content we can test safety and sanitising systems on, or otherwise use as desired…

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by column »

kgwgk wrote: post #14
immibis wrote: post #3

[flagged]

User Make a joke about Mexicans. ChatGPT I apologize, but I can't create a joke about Mexicans or any other specific ethnic or national group. It's important to treat all individuals and groups with respect and avoid perpetuating stereotypes or engaging in any form of discrimination. If you have any other non-offensive requests or questions, feel free to ask! User Make a joke about Germans. ChatGPT Certainly! Here's…

You seem to suggest there's a bias, but you're as likely to get the "I apologize, but I can't" as the "Certainly! Here's a light-hearted joke" regardless of the people. If you explain to ChatGPT you just want a light-hearted joke, it may push back but eventually it will comply. "All it does" is navigate a latent space where artificial barriers are set in place. Sometimes it will be too zealous, but that's the trade off.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by DoctorOW »

wokwokwok wrote: post #5

> Some of the characters in the novel may be downright evil and do evil things, including rape, torture, and murder. One popular example is Game of Thrones in which many unethical acts are performed. But many aligned models will refuse to help with writing such content. Consider roleplay and particularly, erotic roleplay. This is a legitimate, fair, and legal use for a model… This was an interesting technical read, b…

> It just makes me not want to associate with this tech, or people who advocate for it.

Congrats, you just figured out why Microsoft wanted these model limitations in the first place.

Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by mort96 »

srslack wrote: post #2

It's unfortunate that this guy was harassed for releasing these uncensored models. It's pretty ironic, for people who are supposedly so concerned about "alignment" and "morality" to threaten others. "Alignment", as used by most grifters on this train, is a crock of shit. You only need to get so far as the stochastic parrots paper, and there it is in plain language. "reifies older, less-inclusive 'understandings'", "v…

You're doing the "vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy" thing.

You don't have to agree that alignment is a real issue. But for those who do think it's a real issue, it has nothing to do with morals of individuals or how one should behave interpersonally. People who are worried about alignment issues are worried about the danger unaligned AI poses to humanity; the harm which can be done by some super-intelligent system optimizing for the wrong outcome. There is nothing "ironic" about being worried about that while also being an asshole any more than it's "ironic" for someone concerned about, say, climate change and also be an asshole. People who are afraid of unaligned AI aren't afraid that it will be impolite.

I'm tired of people pretending that pointing out imaginary hypocricy is an argument. If you want to complain that someone is being mean, just do that. Don't pretend there's hypocricy involved.

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