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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

hmm37 wrote: post #377
throwaway2990 wrote: post #363

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Why? If you say “fuck Biden” nothing is gonna happen to you. If you say “fuck Xi” then you better hope you never travel to China. There’s a massive difference between east and west and what you say on the internet.

Perhaps change the example to someone in the Middle East saying, "fuck the US" or "down with the US", versus "fuck Biden". I don't think the person from the Middle East would necessarily have an easy time traveling to the US either. In the end there's just different "trigger" words that would make traveling to different countries more difficult.

Oh man, that would be many many "random" checks on the border :)

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ok123456 »

bostonsre wrote: post #387
ok123456 wrote: post #358

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It's debunked by the fact you can go to Xinjiang. No need for an "expert" on the CIA payroll to annotate a map, like they did to Osama's underground cave complex.

By debunked do you call them schools with walls and armed guards instead of prisons? Are you saying the massive prisons they built in that area don't actually exist and are fake? I've seen news reports with pictures showing them as well. Edit to reply: Yes, the schools don't look like the "schools" in Xinjiang. I can't tell if you're being paid or if you really believe what you say. Did the famines caused by mao not…

> Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions?

A quarter of the Irish population died during their famine. Why do we let the criminals who orchestrated that purely for colonial reasons remain in power? Mao made mistakes in agricultural planning but it wasn't intentional as was the case with the British and Ireland.

> Did tianamen square not happen?

Tienanmen Square was an economic protest over inflation and material conditions. The framing of it being a democratic revolution is a post hoc fantasy by the western media.

Do you have any other reddit talking points?

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Post by jstarfish »

hiatus wrote: post #309
jstarfish wrote: post #243

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You regulate or outlaw products when they negatively impact self or public health or safety. There's a brief scene on Bojack Horseman involving a commercial for some chicken product. In it, a kid yells at his parents "I don't want to go to school, I want Chicken-4-Dayz!" Some kids are badly-behaved. They get a lot of validation and reinforcement of their behavior from these platforms, especially since any disciplinar…

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, possibly because the message is uncomfortably paternalistic if taken to its logical conclusion? I don't think that government should serve the role of surrogate parent but at the same time recognize that there exists substances (physical or otherwise) from which some humans have an incredibly difficult time tearing themselves away once they've been exposed (and there likely ex…

Many people here have lucrative careers that depend on maintaining the status quo, so heretics are unpopular.

> I don't think that government should serve the role of surrogate parent

Neither do I, but at some point it needs to be a backstop against implosion of the country. We're being subject to the Opium Wars playbook (brought to you by TikTok: China's Revenge).

What purpose does government serve if not doing something to mitigate?

It seems most interested in facilitating this behavior for the sake of economic growth, but that engine is destined to seize. Money in the hands of the middle/lower classes is the oil that keeps it running.

> And further, what is the role of the state in regulating things that were designed outright to be as addictive as possible?

So far we've managed it with alcohol, tobacco, slot machines and hard drugs. The role of the state on this matter is pretty well-defined.

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Post by brandall10 »

browie wrote: post #301
brandall10 wrote: post #215

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The Century of the Self by Adam Curtis is a great doc on how this took shape in the early 20th century; its primary focus was the double nephew of Sigmund Freud who invented public relations and was a powerful political consultant for many US administrations. One of his main areas of research was using media as a tool for crowd control... he had a somewhat noble viewpoint about it, believing that large crowds by natu…

What do you mean devolved into anarchy?

That the larger the population got, the harder it would be to control, politically or otherwise. That there would be all sorts of competing factions for mindshare and ideology, radicalization, etc, in a fully free society.

He more or less viewed consumerism as a means pacify these tensions, to indirectly exert control... hence the development of closer ties between big business and the government.

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Post by samstave »

dang wrote: post #316
samstave wrote: post #272

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Sam - we've been asking you for years not to break the site guidelines, let alone this badly. We've cut you as much slack as anyone in the history of this site. I don't want to ban you but the slack is definitely going to run out someday. No more, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

So please summarize submission hist vs mine where you can find that I am being 'un just' for each submission.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by [deleted] »

wmidwestranger wrote: post #313
brandall10 wrote: post #215

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The Century of the Self by Adam Curtis is a great doc on how this took shape in the early 20th century; its primary focus was the double nephew of Sigmund Freud who invented public relations and was a powerful political consultant for many US administrations. One of his main areas of research was using media as a tool for crowd control... he had a somewhat noble viewpoint about it, believing that large crowds by natu…

> This time it'll be different, we're way better than the last bunch to do it, double-promise!

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Post by maxloh »

codedokode wrote: post #192
1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

This is not something new. History shows that when the government controls the media, it can control people's opinions and beliefs. The only difference is that now the control over TikTok users' minds is not in the hands of US Government and that's why they are unhappy.

Is there a political party that the Chinese government considered less hostile than the other?

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Post by merek »

RedCondor wrote: post #389
gretch wrote: post #362

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> Let's say you're an american... and that you're plotting some anti-government movement at home. Which is more problematic Okay and for the hundreds of millions of us who are not, do we prefer our govt knowing about us or the CCP. I’m not a fan of the USG by any means - I have many many criticisms of the govt and I’ve participated in protests. To put contemporary USG and CCP in the same league is crazy talk.

Yeah the CPC eliminates poverty whereas the USG wages war. There's no comparison.

Yes, Cost Per Click eliminates poverty. For Google.

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Post by bostonsre »

ok123456 wrote: post #392
bostonsre wrote: post #387

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By debunked do you call them schools with walls and armed guards instead of prisons? Are you saying the massive prisons they built in that area don't actually exist and are fake? I've seen news reports with pictures showing them as well. Edit to reply: Yes, the schools don't look like the "schools" in Xinjiang. I can't tell if you're being paid or if you really believe what you say. Did the famines caused by mao not…

> Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions? A quarter of the Irish population died during their famine. Why do we let the criminals who orchestrated that purely for colonial reasons remain in power? Mao made mistakes in agricultural planning but it wasn't intentional as was the case with the British and Ireland. > Did tianamen square not happen? Tienanmen Square was an economic protest over inflation and mater…

I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point.

It was an economic protest by students? Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else you would be too scared to mentioned it for fear of being disappeared.

Why no response about those massive schools with armed guards in Xinjiang? The government has admitted they are "reeducating" them. The buildings are obviously there and in huge numbers.

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Post by ok123456 »

bostonsre wrote: post #399
ok123456 wrote: post #392

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> Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions? A quarter of the Irish population died during their famine. Why do we let the criminals who orchestrated that purely for colonial reasons remain in power? Mao made mistakes in agricultural planning but it wasn't intentional as was the case with the British and Ireland. > Did tianamen square not happen? Tienanmen Square was an economic protest over inflation and mater…

I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point. It was an economic protest by students? Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else y…

>I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point.

I was just responding to your non-sequitur about the great leap forward. One was a earnest policy failure. The other was imposed to maintain a colonial mercantile arrangement, which killed two orders of magnitude more on a per-capital basis.

Should we impose economic sanctions against the UK for their human rights abuses?

> It was an economic protest by students?

Yes.

> Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else you would be too scared to mentioned it for fear of being disappeared.

It was widely reported on state media. You can mention it, just like the other economic protests earlier in the 1980s. It just doesn't have the cultural and historical significance that the people in Washington with lanyards, and people who consume nothing but propaganda think it has.

> Why no response about those massive schools with armed guards in Xinjiang? The government has admitted they are "reeducating" them. The buildings are obviously there and in huge numbers.

Is the existence of prisons in the US an obvious sign of a genocide against African Americans?

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