Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

businessinsider.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

351–360 of 426 posts

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#351

Post by bigbluedots »

1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

This is frequently asserted as fact, and I don't disagree that it is possible. But do you have some specific evidence that you can provide?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#352

Post by kelipso »

joenot443 wrote: post #236
kelipso wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Dump all the US instances into the memory hole. Only bring it up when China does it. When you bring up how US does it too, it's "whataboutism". Have to say it's a great strategy for maintaining a narrative.

Based off your past comments, you have some pretty strong feelings about both China and the USA which might lead one to think you’re not really approaching this discussion in good faith.

Oh good, another thing is to accuse people who have different opinions of being propagandized drones. Pretty effective is controlling the narrative too.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#353

Post by klabb3 »

syndacks wrote: post #238
klabb3 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty much Plato’s cave. But yeah, it seems to be absolutely true.

Not sure Plato’s cave applies here.

Upvotes and disagreeing comments.. hard to parse. Anyway, my understanding is that Plato’s cave refers to being bamboozled a core lie about the world, and then when someone tells you how you’re wrong they will reject it because they lack the ability or language to process the alternative view, or it conflicts with their identity that they’d rather stay in the world they know. In Plato’s cave, it’s iirc a former prisoner who tells the other prisoners, ie someone they previously trusted. Yet, they are still upset and violently reject his message.

Is that the same statement as Carl Sagan’s? No. I’m just casually associating. To me they both seem to cover the same aspect of human psychology, our core beliefs that basically cannot be altered later in life.

Moreover, it’s really interesting that people only seem to agree about this observation when it comes to other people–they are stuck in their ways, they are beyond salvation. Very few accept that they themselves suffer from this.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#354

Post by fghhkib »

boplicity wrote: post #318
throwaway038519 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding your comment about behavioral management at scale. Carl Sagan once said: "If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." It would b…

Or, as a recent politician evocatively put it: "“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" There really is pain associated with acknowledging reality sometimes. I certainly know that from my personal life. Wisdom comes from willingness to go through pain. Something our general culture ain't great at.

[flagged]

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#355

Post by artificialLimbs »

capableweb wrote: post #82
1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

> When you can target specific demographics > control what they see > People are literally being programmed [...] by the specific triggers I hate marketing/PR as much as the next person, but have become part of daily life. How do we get rid of it? Outlaw the practice of trying to influence people by marketing? Edit: Rereading your comment I realize you're talking about something else, but I guess the same applies non…

We handle it through education. Informing people. Making them aware.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#356

Post by jchook »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #257
jchook wrote: post #103

TikTok is allegedly staffed with dozens of ex-FBI, CIA, and US State Department officials who moderate content[1]. Somehow PRISM and the closed-doors FISA court hearings, Lavabit, etc seem to be collectively memory-holed by USians. Nowadays their anxiety about state surveillance is reserved for the "CCP". 1. https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-ru...

> ...seem to be collectively memory-holed by USians Because we dare have a thread where we talk about CCP surveillance? How can we possibly memory hole anything when people like you are constantly reminding us of these off-topic issues?

First result for me is 2013.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abusinessinsider.com+P...

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#357

Post by RunSet »

capableweb wrote: post #82
1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

> When you can target specific demographics > control what they see > People are literally being programmed [...] by the specific triggers I hate marketing/PR as much as the next person, but have become part of daily life. How do we get rid of it? Outlaw the practice of trying to influence people by marketing? Edit: Rereading your comment I realize you're talking about something else, but I guess the same applies non…

A good approach is to teach something like this in public schools.

https://www.yourarticlelibrary.com/sociology/propaganda-7-mo...

It seems to have vanished from curricula and I wonder why. It's not as though anyone stands to benefit from an electorate that is less capable of identifying propaganda.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#358

Post by ok123456 »

bostonsre wrote: post #338
ok123456 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all circularly references Zenz's reports when you investigate its origin.

Can you please point out the references that are circulatory in the evidence he gave? I don't see any references that are pointing at that guy. Maybe this guy is in cahoots with Google earth too and those massive prisons visible from space are just because of this one guy you mentioned.

It's debunked by the fact you can go to Xinjiang. No need for an "expert" on the CIA payroll to annotate a map, like they did to Osama's underground cave complex.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#359

Post by bobthepanda »

legutierr wrote: post #344
boplicity wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, as a recent politician evocatively put it: "“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" There really is pain associated with acknowledging reality sometimes. I certainly know that from my personal life. Wisdom comes from willingness to go through pain. Something our general culture ain't great at.

> Something our general culture ain't great at. What culture is good at it? People in general try to avoid pain. This tendency is not unique to our culture, is it?

The US is uniquely oriented around pain elimination. For example, the opioid epidemic ravaging the US after the overprescription of painkillers is absent in most European and Asian countries, because they were not optimizing patient outcomes for pain elimination.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#360

Post by xvilka »

legutierr wrote: post #344
boplicity wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, as a recent politician evocatively put it: "“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" There really is pain associated with acknowledging reality sometimes. I certainly know that from my personal life. Wisdom comes from willingness to go through pain. Something our general culture ain't great at.

> Something our general culture ain't great at. What culture is good at it? People in general try to avoid pain. This tendency is not unique to our culture, is it?

Stoicism.
Post reply on HN