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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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This is not something new. History shows that when the government controls the media, it can control people's opinions and beliefs. The only difference is that now the control over TikTok users' minds is not in the hands of US Government and that's why they are unhappy.

The Century of the Self by Adam Curtis is a great doc on how this took shape in the early 20th century; its primary focus was the double nephew of Sigmund Freud who invented public relations and was a powerful political consultant for many US administrations. One of his main areas of research was using media as a tool for crowd control... he had a somewhat noble viewpoint about it, believing that large crowds by natu…

Propaganda is such a destructive tool, it's a one way trip. Just being forced to pondering if you have been manipulated in some capacity, for example while working in the offices, is damaging to psyche and undermining someone's sense of the world and even sense of self, but now it's additionally done at literally global scale. We're kicking the ground out from our own feet and adamantly keep searching for a reason everything isn't right.

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All of these "verifiable" claims all originate with one man and have no evidence.

Please stop spreading Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda. Evidence of the Uyghur camps is ubiquitous: https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c... https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details...

It's all circularly references Zenz's reports when you investigate its origin.

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Xi is head of state as president, but not head of government (like King of England). Li Qiang is head of government as premier and is chief executive of the Chinese government. If you ask a Chinese citizen what their biggest problem is, many of them would say too much federalism. Individual provinces have more individual authority than even US States and most controversial policies (1 child, social credit, lockdowns)…

> Xi is head of state as president, but not head of government (like King of England). Uhm: the king of England (which incidentally happens to be king of quite a number of other territories that have yet to fully emancipate themselves from monarchy) is NOT the head of government in any of the the territories he is king of, but merely the head of state… which in constitutional monarchies is a rather formal show pomp r…

That’s exactly what they said.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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That solves "your" problem. It doesn't solve the problems for your democracy. We want to limit the ability of the wealthy and foreign nations to control the mob. We want the mob to be well adjusted, well educated, happy, and kind.

The "mob" is uneducated, stupid and prone to manipulation. The "mob" attacked Poland from the east in the XX century. We have to start treating the mob as individuals. Putting down the phone is tantamount to having a grasp on reality.

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

8-10 hours a day? Basically nobody is using social media this much.

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FOX news and CNN don’t change what people think/how they vote?

FOX and CNN are at least held to a higher standard. We need to apply those same standards to the internet. If they tell an outrageous lie on CNN they can be sued.

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It doesn't. "Propaganda" is a western word for any argument coming from the eastern enemies of the state, and "Brainwashing" is a western word for being convinced by them. The way we control behavior is by depriving people of unfiltered information, not showing them cat videos and remembering if they liked them.

Not everywhere, which is a good thing. A year ago I saw (and thoroughly enjoyed) an exhibition of 80's arts posters in Spain. What struck me were the description labels, and especially the terminology used. Where the English part described something as "advertising", the Spanish descriptions unashamedly used the word "propaganda". Let's not fool ourselves. The mechanisms of advertising have been lifted, adapted and f…

I was pretty amused when I first visited China and saw that the university communications/marketing department translated its name to "Propaganda Department".

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Please stop spreading Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda. Evidence of the Uyghur camps is ubiquitous: https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c... https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details...

It's all circularly references Zenz's reports when you investigate its origin.

Can you please point out the references that are circulatory in the evidence he gave? I don't see any references that are pointing at that guy. Maybe this guy is in cahoots with Google earth too and those massive prisons visible from space are just because of this one guy you mentioned.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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I don't have a Business Insider subscription and don't plan on getting one. Any important, linkable sources that I can read instead?

Good intuition.

Business Insider is almost entirely a propaganda outlet and not actually a business publication, insider or otherwise.

The claim comes from an ex-employee from 2018. Most people want it to be true, so it is. I have no idea.

My default for TikTok stories is that NOTHING they can do is not first made possible by Apple and Google who take zero blame in any of this. That right there tells me it’s all game. TikTok/China is being used to trick people into supporting more domestic spying.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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> Yu is a former engineering lead for ByteDance in the US who worked at the company between 2017 and 2018. This seems like an outrage bait lawsuit. The facts in the case are five years out of date, ByteDance has been through the wringer in the ensuing years and there’s no evidence that this backdoor exists in the current app.

The article is “business insider” I always suspect either another side of the story if not complete and outright propoganda.
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