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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges
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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges
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how does this differ from newspapers, books and the spoken word?
It doesn't. "Propaganda" is a western word for any argument coming from the eastern enemies of the state, and "Brainwashing" is a western word for being convinced by them. The way we control behavior is by depriving people of unfiltered information, not showing them cat videos and remembering if they liked them.
Not everywhere, which is a good thing.
A year ago I saw (and thoroughly enjoyed) an exhibition of 80's arts posters in Spain. What struck me were the description labels, and especially the terminology used. Where the English part described something as "advertising", the Spanish descriptions unashamedly used the word "propaganda".
Let's not fool ourselves. The mechanisms of advertising have been lifted, adapted and further weaponised from war-time propaganda, or as we'd call them these days, influence operations.
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Why can't you believe both are issues and be in support of the resolution of both?
That's also a copout that liberals spent a few years repeating in Spanish for some reason. TikTok is not at all a problem. The fact that all of your data is already on sale, cheaply, publicly, and legally, is.
You say it's a copout and then you don't explain why. I can believe US data through TikTok is at risk due to CCP origins and I can believe our data is on sale in general. I can also believe that both are an issue.
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But it's the US, it's the bastion of democracy. Govt here doesn't put backdoors, doesn't sponsor crypto companies, doesn't target individuals and ship them to overseas camps to avoid torture laws. Wage fake wars. Doesn't use it's intelligence agencies to interfere with other countries. Oh!
For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Should we really just roll over and give them unfettered access to our markets while they are incredibly hostile to our companies and where we only get access by giving away ip?
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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges
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> When you can target specific demographics > control what they see > People are literally being programmed [...] by the specific triggers I hate marketing/PR as much as the next person, but have become part of daily life. How do we get rid of it? Outlaw the practice of trying to influence people by marketing? Edit: Rereading your comment I realize you're talking about something else, but I guess the same applies non…
How do we get rid of it? Can you get rid of it? No. Doing so would result in the loss of many important rights and have unintended consequences. Not even China can get rid of this. BUT that doesn't mean you can't put regulations and limitations on them. As one example, we may want to make laws that ensure that ads are easily recognizable as ads. I'm referencing Native Advertising. I want to use an example from the NY…
So distinguish between, you're seeing this content because a company paid us to show it to users like you, and because users like you watch similar things. what if someone pays to have similar users be shown things that give a certain impression? the advertiser didn't create the content or even choose what content, is it an ad?
how would you enforce that? without open sourcing it you'd have no way of knowing why a thing was recommended. giving access only to the government is not possible.
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No, it really is that simple. Never before has a foreign entity been able to deliver personalized content at the individual level. Not at this scale. The only way a device could get any more embedded would be through rectal insertion. Not every problem can be solved. Sometimes the best we can do is mitigate. [Smart]phones are spyware in every pocket...by design.
That solves "your" problem. It doesn't solve the problems for your democracy. We want to limit the ability of the wealthy and foreign nations to control the mob. We want the mob to be well adjusted, well educated, happy, and kind.
The "mob" is uneducated, stupid and prone to manipulation. The "mob" attacked Poland from the east in the XX century.
We have to start treating the mob as individuals. Putting down the phone is tantamount to having a grasp on reality.
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US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it. China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group. Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
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I'm not Chinese, hi. The US is collecting vastly more data from our social media companies and using it to launch drone strikes that actually kill people. Nobody is outraged by this, it's "normal". Why should I be more outraged at this story?
Nobody is asking you to choose which story to be more outraged about.
Just that you really should stick to the topic at hand.
Otherwise why not bring up that car accidents are a much bigger problem than social media.
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FOX news and CNN don’t change what people think/how they vote?
When you hear something outrageous on FOX or CNN, you yell "bullshit" at the TV. When you read the same thing on Facebook and see 20 of your friends positively interacting with the news story and showing their approval, you remain quiet at best, join the lunacy at worst. What you don't see is the three shadowbanned accounts explaining why it's lunacy.
There is a famous psychological experiment done by Solomon Asch (Asch Conformity) that demonstrates this behavior.
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Uh the FBI arrested people, evidence will come out in trials. What’s the point of your comment?
The FBI has arrested a lot of people under anti-China initiatives in the past few years, and most of the cases have been quietly dropped.
You know that it isn't just the FBI.
It's multiple countries that have had issues with them e.g. Australia, Canada, Ireland.
And I personally know of students here in Australia who have been targeted by the Chinese consulate for participating in pro-Taiwan and pro-HK protests. So the idea that they wouldn't apply this technique to people of all ages isn't far-fetched.