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The Greatest Wealth Transfer in History Is Here, with Familiar (Rich) Winners

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So?

The question was about fairness. When concentrated wealth goes to a selected individual or group of individuals, it is usually seen as "fair" when it has been earned in some way. This didn't need to be explained, right?

If you're the spouse or child of an earner you technically didn't "earn" their money either, right? Inheritance is the same concept... you work and make money to provide to your family.

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So don't save up $2 million for inheritance... No one is forcing you to do that. Not to mention the increased taxes will be paid back, at least to some extent, in enhanced services. Maybe your kids could get a free education and free healthcare instead of $1M each in inheritance. Or instead of increased services, we could tax other things less such as the income of living people. I'd much rather have dead people, who…

Encouraging people to frivolously spend on luxury instead of saving is a terrible idea.

You just described the entire economy. It's worked out pretty well actually. All spending is someone else's income, which can then be taxed again.

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post #39

If you taxed boomer-> millennial inheritances at just 25% you could completely eliminate the black-white wealth gap in the next couple of decades. There’s a reason that affluent white people are talking about DEI, and not raising our absurdly low inheritance taxes.

A 25% inheritance tax, i.e. lose everything your family worked for in just four generations. That's ignoring inflation. The logical conclusion of the idea that where you are born is just an "accident", and you have no legitimate link to your ancestors.

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Meanwhile the estate tax in the US only applies to inheritances larger than $12.9 million. People with that kind of wealth also know how to start planning early to avoid the tax, so the tax is practically ineffectual. A fairer inheritance tax could go a long way to fixing the worsening wealth gap in America.

What’s the argument FOR an inheritance tax, when it comes to fairness? The person who’s passsing the money down already paid tax on the money, whether income tax or capital gains tax. The government already got a hefty chunk of that earned money. Why should it be taxed again? Especially when we see how inefficient the government is at spending money for the public good.

Actually the capital gains basis gets reset at either date of death or 9 months later. So no not all that capital was taxed properly. Even saving $100K a year and getting 8% growth can't generate that scale of wealth, even if you save at that level for 40 years.

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post #58

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Encouraging people to frivolously spend on luxury instead of saving is a terrible idea.

You just described the entire economy. It's worked out pretty well actually. All spending is someone else's income, which can then be taxed again.

By spending on luxury such as expensive restaurants and hotels, you cause the economy to allocate talent and capital toward the production of those luxury goods and services, rather than toward longer term investment. Making it so that old people burn up their built-up wealth in that way is not good. It would be much better to gather the equivalent amount of tax elsewhere, if you insist that we must do so (such as with a VAT on luxury goods and services!).

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post #6

Meanwhile the estate tax in the US only applies to inheritances larger than $12.9 million. People with that kind of wealth also know how to start planning early to avoid the tax, so the tax is practically ineffectual. A fairer inheritance tax could go a long way to fixing the worsening wealth gap in America.

What’s the argument FOR an inheritance tax, when it comes to fairness? The person who’s passsing the money down already paid tax on the money, whether income tax or capital gains tax. The government already got a hefty chunk of that earned money. Why should it be taxed again? Especially when we see how inefficient the government is at spending money for the public good.

Getting a leg up in life because your parents left you a big inheritance, is unfair to those who don't. There are many different types of fairness, not just one.

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The inheritors didn't earn it.

Neither did the government. Why shouldn’t the person who did earn it get to decide what happens to it? After all, they could choose to donate some to the government. No one does though, voluntarily, because we all know that money would get wasted.

“The government” isn’t a fixed entity. It is what people want to be funded. Wealthy Americans donate enormous amounts of money to entities that would be publicly funded in many other countries: universities, hospitals, concert halls…

Everybody wants to give money to something where they get their name on a wall and the envy of their rich peers. Meanwhile projects that could be more beneficial to society but don’t have the prestige factor languish. An inheritance tax would level the playing field.

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post #59

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Gen X has always been screwed. There's never been enough of us to matter demographically. The boomers have us boxed in before us, and Gen-Y/Millenials after.

It will probably be good for GenX during retirement. Nursing homes, elder care and such will be much less burdened than they are now for the baby boomers.

As far as I can tell, retirement for many gen X who didn't manage to get a property and won't inherit means poverty and homelessness unless they can miraculously keep high-paying work to cover the cost of rent until they die. Their too small pension won't cover the rent by then because rent has risen and is still rising much faster.

Nursing home? They can't afford long term stay due to lack of assets, but what about the decade or two after retirement age when a nursing home wouldn't be appropriate anyway?

Seems to me the renting-class gen Xers approaching retirement are just going to have to keep working long past retirement age, while it gets more and more difficult, and their housing stays precarious because they can't get a mortgage due to age. I think this is a hidden, underappreciated issue because people tend to think of property-owning gen Xers with a paid-off mortgage, and don't realise how many gen X never made it onto the property ladder.

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post #39

If you taxed boomer-> millennial inheritances at just 25% you could completely eliminate the black-white wealth gap in the next couple of decades. There’s a reason that affluent white people are talking about DEI, and not raising our absurdly low inheritance taxes.

A 25% inheritance tax, i.e. lose everything your family worked for in just four generations. That's ignoring inflation. The logical conclusion of the idea that where you are born is just an "accident", and you have no legitimate link to your ancestors.

That’s incorrect—you’re ignoring growth during each lifetime.

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So you slave away your younger years and pay ~40%+ income tax. You manage to afford 2 children and own a nice house outright by the time you're 65. You have a nest egg large enough to afford a high quality life in retirement (mostly to pay your property taxes & income taxes & capital gains on inflation [not even REAL capital gains]...) You die with $1M to your name plus a $1M estate (this is top ~6% or so). Now you w…

> Now you want to take away 50% of that before passing it on to the kids? Yes, or spend it… I’ve met too many people who are quite concerned about their parent’s wealth and spending later in life, and it seems to become more concerning for the kids once their parents become closer to death. I believe, as a rule of thumb, dynastic wealth is bad for society at large and encourages a rise in rentiers and other parasitic…

I can recognize that saving for the sake of saving is bad for the economy, I don't like to pretend that the only solution is for one entity (the government) to get it, and it doesnt have to be that way

if the balances were programmed to be slashed - a portion automatically deleted for inactivity - I would be more into that. note that this is an upgrade from what the Federal Reserve already tries to do in tightening phases like now. This is also what some monetary experiments do to validating nodes.

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