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The Greatest Wealth Transfer in History Is Here, with Familiar (Rich) Winners

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It is sort of interesting how Gen X is screwed here. Also the children of Gen X eg under 18s and younger Gen Z today.

The Gen Z chart I think is particularly misleading. My kids are (young) Gen Z. When plotted on that chart, their likely inheritance is $0, because the later of the date of death of my wife and I is very likely be after 2045. So, it looks like they're screwed, but it's because the peak of the Gen Z chart is cut off on the right.

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> Mr. Pearl noted that people with only a couple of million can use “securities-based loans,” borrowing low-cost funds from banks using the value of a given investment portfolio as collateral. “You just loan yourself money,” he explained, and in many if not most cases, the portfolio’s rate of return exceeds the rate of interest on the loan. It seems like a step is missing here. Wouldn’t the borrower have to sell part…

Probably diverting portions of future planned investnents into the portfolio.

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post #6

Meanwhile the estate tax in the US only applies to inheritances larger than $12.9 million. People with that kind of wealth also know how to start planning early to avoid the tax, so the tax is practically ineffectual. A fairer inheritance tax could go a long way to fixing the worsening wealth gap in America.

$12.9 is per estate, not per heir. If someone has one spouse and 3 kids and also leaves by will some stuff to 6 other relatives, then the exemption is split between the 10. Each benefits on average from an exemption of $1.3 MM. At the highest tax bracket, they get a one time tax deduction of about half a million. When people talk about wealth gap, they mean the ultra-rich, the multi-millionaires. For someone with a n…

People in the middle class don’t have 20 million, or 10 million.

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In Russia, if you are born in Moscow and inherit a granny's flat¥, it gives you an enormous boost. You are free to choose any occupation and dabble in any kind of weird lifestyles or rent it out and live abroad with very modest effort.

Meanwhile, if you did not inherit one and don't work in IT, expect to work hard and spend the majority of earnings on rent/mortgage.

This applies nontheless even if all of your ancestors were lower middle or working class.

¥ Which she got from the state basically just for being there.

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#25
post #18
post #3

> Mr. Pearl noted that people with only a couple of million can use “securities-based loans,” borrowing low-cost funds from banks using the value of a given investment portfolio as collateral. “You just loan yourself money,” he explained, and in many if not most cases, the portfolio’s rate of return exceeds the rate of interest on the loan. It seems like a step is missing here. Wouldn’t the borrower have to sell part…

Another aspect of this arrangement: you don't pay federal income tax on money you receive as a loan in the US. The money does not count as income because of the matching obligation to pay it back.

Said differently, it doesn't count as income because it's not income.

I borrowed just shy of a million dollars to buy my house. That money sure wasn't income...

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post #6

Meanwhile the estate tax in the US only applies to inheritances larger than $12.9 million. People with that kind of wealth also know how to start planning early to avoid the tax, so the tax is practically ineffectual. A fairer inheritance tax could go a long way to fixing the worsening wealth gap in America.

It's remarkable how many people oppose an increase to inheritance tax despite the fact that every proposal I have seen would exempt... almost everyone. At worst, the most aggressive proposals would simply skim a little off of the very largest wealth transfers. The very rich would remain very rich. Yet in our current political climate, even the mildest proposal is accused of being full blown communism.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

$12.9 is per estate, not per heir. If someone has one spouse and 3 kids and also leaves by will some stuff to 6 other relatives, then the exemption is split between the 10. Each benefits on average from an exemption of $1.3 MM. At the highest tax bracket, they get a one time tax deduction of about half a million. When people talk about wealth gap, they mean the ultra-rich, the multi-millionaires. For someone with a n…

People in the middle class don’t have 20 million, or 10 million.

That they don't is all the more reason to not tax what they do have at 18-40% when they die and pass it to their heirs.

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#28
post #6

Meanwhile the estate tax in the US only applies to inheritances larger than $12.9 million. People with that kind of wealth also know how to start planning early to avoid the tax, so the tax is practically ineffectual. A fairer inheritance tax could go a long way to fixing the worsening wealth gap in America.

It's not clear to me there needs to be any exemption at all on inheritances. It should all be taxable income IMO. Poor people having their inheritances taxed will just get it back later in enhanced government benefits. More in fact since rich people have way larger inheritances to tax.

Another huge loophole is charitable deductions. There's absolutely no reason the government needs to be helping fund individual charity decisions (for anyone, poor or rich). You have billionaires avoiding the majority of taxes they owe by giving money away to their pet charity causes.

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#29
post #10

It is sort of interesting how Gen X is screwed here. Also the children of Gen X eg under 18s and younger Gen Z today.

Gen X has always been screwed. There's never been enough of us to matter demographically. The boomers have us boxed in before us, and Gen-Y/Millenials after.

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In Russia, if you are born in Moscow and inherit a granny's flat¥, it gives you an enormous boost. You are free to choose any occupation and dabble in any kind of weird lifestyles or rent it out and live abroad with very modest effort. Meanwhile, if you did not inherit one and don't work in IT, expect to work hard and spend the majority of earnings on rent/mortgage. This applies nontheless even if all of your ancesto…

Well, that's about to change for the midterm perspective, but that's also not good news for everyone, if you know what I mean
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