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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Oh good, another thing is to accuse people who have different opinions of being propagandized drones. Pretty effective is controlling the narrative too.

I don't think you're a drone or that you're propagandized, I just that you have strong opinions. I'm admittedly flattered that you think my idle observations are part of some concentrated effort of 'controlling the narrative' though :)

We're all soldiers in Nakatomi space.

Posting is warfare.

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Do you similarly blame people stuck in abusive relationships or those who abuse substances? You haven't addressed the fact that the app on their phone is an engineered pachinko literally designed to glue you to the screen.

No. Just because I blame one set of victims doesn’t mean I blame all sets of victims. And I don’t need to address that fact because the root of the issue is the person installing the app. It doesn’t matter how well engineered the pachinko machine is if I can long-press it out of my existence.

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Oh good, another thing is to accuse people who have different opinions of being propagandized drones. Pretty effective is controlling the narrative too.

I don't think you're a drone or that you're propagandized, I just that you have strong opinions. I'm admittedly flattered that you think my idle observations are part of some concentrated effort of 'controlling the narrative' though :)

You have to understand it's really annoying when people accuse you of not arguing in good faith, especially for something like having "strong opinions". These kinds of accusations are itself not "approaching the discussion in good faith", so you just go in a circle and don't get anywhere. You can try passing it off as idle observations but not after you admitted going through my comments lol.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

I think this is always been the case with media going back as far as language existed. We are more aware of it now.

the big innovation recently has been the ability to manage content of peer to peer communication as well through social media.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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That's not an interesting question. No, no they should not. And that would be true even if there were US investors. Just like we don't compensate AirBnB shareholders when cities outlaw short term rentals. But, there are no non-Chinese investors in Bytedance. There are US investors in Hong Kong (?) companies that have exposure to Bytedance and move 1:1 with Bytedance, but explicitly included in their risk analysis is…

> That's not an interesting question. It is very interesting to me to see if the US government is capable of putting the average citizen's welfare above that of heavy hitting investors. It would be a welcome change if they did. > ByteDance is financially backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Regarding your comment about behavioral management at scale. Carl Sagan once said: "If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." It would b…

Or, as a recent politician evocatively put it: "“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" There really is pain associated with acknowledging reality sometimes. I certainly know that from my personal life. Wisdom comes from willingness to go through pain. Something our general culture ain't great at.

98% of the population gets its reality from authority (the opinions of the hive being #1). Independent thought is unimaginable. Not even on the table. May as well ask a grain of sand lodged in a eastgoing glacier to consider heading south.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Can you please point out the references that are circulatory in the evidence he gave? I don't see any references that are pointing at that guy. Maybe this guy is in cahoots with Google earth too and those massive prisons visible from space are just because of this one guy you mentioned.

It's debunked by the fact you can go to Xinjiang. No need for an "expert" on the CIA payroll to annotate a map, like they did to Osama's underground cave complex.

By debunked do you call them schools with walls and armed guards instead of prisons? Are you saying the massive prisons they built in that area don't actually exist and are fake? I've seen news reports with pictures showing them as well.

Edit to reply: Yes, the schools don't look like the "schools" in Xinjiang. I can't tell if you're being paid or if you really believe what you say. Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions? Did tianamen square not happen?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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It's debunked by the fact you can go to Xinjiang. No need for an "expert" on the CIA payroll to annotate a map, like they did to Osama's underground cave complex.

By debunked do you call them schools with walls and armed guards instead of prisons? Are you saying the massive prisons they built in that area don't actually exist and are fake? I've seen news reports with pictures showing them as well. Edit to reply: Yes, the schools don't look like the "schools" in Xinjiang. I can't tell if you're being paid or if you really believe what you say. Did the famines caused by mao not…

Have you seen what a schools in the intercity in the US look like these days?

I think you need to be more incredulous with obvious CIA propaganda.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Let's say you're an american... and that you're plotting some anti-government movement at home. Which is more problematic... china knowing that, or your own government knowing that? I live in a small eu country... and as in most other eu countries, any weird request from china (for extradition or whatever) would just get ignored... if US asked... well, just look at assange.

> Let's say you're an american... and that you're plotting some anti-government movement at home. Which is more problematic Okay and for the hundreds of millions of us who are not, do we prefer our govt knowing about us or the CCP. I’m not a fan of the USG by any means - I have many many criticisms of the govt and I’ve participated in protests. To put contemporary USG and CCP in the same league is crazy talk.

Yeah the CPC eliminates poverty whereas the USG wages war.

There's no comparison.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Yes, because you live in the west. Again, that's not true for the rest of the world. I for sure would rather prefer China reading my stuff than the US if I was still living in the middle east, for example.

Why? If you say “fuck Biden” nothing is gonna happen to you. If you say “fuck Xi” then you better hope you never travel to China. There’s a massive difference between east and west and what you say on the internet.

I'm pretty sure I can say fuck China and still travel there if I live in the middle east unless I'm a particularly vocal critic I guess. Saying down with the US can get you on a no fly list too by the way, if you live in the middle east. And whatever I say about China won't get me droned which is absolutely not the case for the US.
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