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Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by detaro »

yarg wrote: post #61
viraptor wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they can spend all night ruining your day before you even start work. Or they can be saving your service in emergency while you stay in bed. I'm not sure why you'd expect a different time zone to mean lower skills than yours.

I'm not - I'm saying that when it's a factor it's a big problem. I've dealt with entire offices of people that were problematic - you could tell when they came in, because builds broke universally in the next half an hour. And that was right at the end of the day. From half four 'till half five I spent my time fucking about rolling back commits and sending emails around the world to tell people to sort their shit out…

The only remote (to me) office I had to work with that I'd describe like that was in California. shrug

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by ElFitz »

viraptor wrote: post #38
yarg wrote: post #29

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Time zones and expected levels of education are still significant factors. You generally don't want to be hiring people from regions with a substandard education system - and if they're in another time zone they can spend all night ruining your day before you even start work.

> they can spend all night ruining your day before you even start work. Or they can be saving your service in emergency while you stay in bed. I'm not sure why you'd expect a different time zone to mean lower skills than yours.

It’s mostly a problem when the main purpose in hiring remotely is to aggressively save money.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by viraptor »

ElFitz wrote: post #72
viraptor wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they can spend all night ruining your day before you even start work. Or they can be saving your service in emergency while you stay in bed. I'm not sure why you'd expect a different time zone to mean lower skills than yours.

It’s mostly a problem when the main purpose in hiring remotely is to aggressively save money.

Yes, it's a problem with management rather than with the workers or the timezone.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by ElFitz »

sokoloff wrote: post #40
ElFitz wrote: post #24

Perhaps he should put his money where his mouth is: https://careers.airbnb.com/positions/ Because "US, except these states" isn’t exactly hiring "from anywhere".

> Airbnb, Inc. can hire employees in states where we have registered entities. Currently, employees cannot be located/live in: Alaska, Nebraska, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Alabama, Mississippi, and Delaware. It seems entirely reasonable to create state entities in a late-binding fashion, only after you find an employee or other reason requiring the creation of an entity and all the recurring paperwork/expense associate…

Even though there is, today, half a dozen startups dedicated to solving just that (Deel comes to mind), yes, it definitely is reasonable.

I just don’t appreciate people sanctimoniously dishing out lessons all while not applying what they, unprompted, decided to preach.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by capableweb »

allarm wrote: post #49
55555 wrote: post #44

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For a (weak) counterpoint, there's an interesting article in Bloomberg today about how day-time recreational drug habits are increasing due to remote work. https://archive.is/IoY1k >> Drug recovery firm Sierra Tucson concluded from a November 2021 survey that about 20% of US workers admitted to using recreational drugs while working remotely, and also to being under the influence during virtual meetings. So it's not…

I’ve seen people using recreational drugs while working in the office, so…

I once bought a hotdog from a street vendor in Copenhagen that was seriously high on some downers in 2:00 in the morning, so clearly hotdog vendors are more likely to do drugs.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by koheripbal »

allarm wrote: post #49
55555 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a (weak) counterpoint, there's an interesting article in Bloomberg today about how day-time recreational drug habits are increasing due to remote work. https://archive.is/IoY1k >> Drug recovery firm Sierra Tucson concluded from a November 2021 survey that about 20% of US workers admitted to using recreational drugs while working remotely, and also to being under the influence during virtual meetings. So it's not…

I’ve seen people using recreational drugs while working in the office, so…

That, but now much more

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by higeorge13 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #67
higeorge13 wrote: post #57

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But you can work in remote companies in different EU countries..

No, not really. Austrian labor laws says if you work with an employment contract, then your employer must have a legal presence in Austria to pay Austrian employer taxes and conform to Austrian labor laws, and no company wants to do that. There are some middle-men companies to interface this but they take a deep cut and not everyone want to deal with that hassle. So your other option is a B-2-B contract but then you…

But majority of companies use deel, remote.com and so many mediators to hire remotely.

B2b in other eu countries has way less taxes than being employee.

Point is that there are many options and companies out there.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by dymk »

southwesterly wrote: post #19
eeasss wrote: post #17

Let's not forget that the Airbnb CEO has vested interest in expansion of remote work. This means more digital nomads and folks who travel to work from anywhere, which benefits the Airbnb Network.

I’d be too busy tidying the house to avoid cleaning fees to do any nomadic work.

That’s not how cleaning fees work

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by zamadatix »

ElFitz wrote: post #70
zamadatix wrote: post #32

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There is a reasonable difference between anywhere and everywhere. Setting up shop in every state can be a big legal pain, especially if you don't expect many employees there or the particular state has more difficult rules to comply with. Doing so is in no way a requirement for what they are talking about, which is not hiring for having people come in to the office. On the flipside I've been able to convince companie…

I would agree with that. Except the guy touts the merits of hiring from anywhere. He seems to think he’s somehow better than all the others he criticises (I, personally, favour remote work. Just not holier-than-thou hypocrites). All while his very own company hires from anywhere. Except outside the US. Except in one state out of ten. If hiring people "from anywhere" is so great, and if even Basecamp can surmount the…

I'm still not sure I follow what said hypocrisy is supposed to be. The article is about how they have the ability to hire anywhere, which is true regardless if they currently hire everywhere or not. Similarly the quotes about traveling for the summer are not invalidated, you don't change residency if you go to e.g. Alabama for 2 months so it's not a problem it's on the list.

While I agree places that allow anywhere without question are even better "pssh, this guy is saying they did something well and it's just good not even the best possible way!" is not really hypocrisy. Maybe there is more I missed in the article though

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