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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

Memetic warfare I think they call it.

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When faced with undeniable criticism: I believe China/CCP learned this "defense" tactic from the Soviet Union, who if, not inventing it, at the very least brought it to new standardized levels.

One example from the Soviets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

“Example from the Soviets”? Buddy that actually happened. You don’t get to deny the truth just because it is inconvenient or makes you look bad.

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Regarding your comment about behavioral management at scale. Carl Sagan once said: "If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." It would b…

Or, as a recent politician evocatively put it: "“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" There really is pain associated with acknowledging reality sometimes. I certainly know that from my personal life. Wisdom comes from willingness to go through pain. Something our general culture ain't great at.

> Something our general culture ain't great at.

What culture is good at it? People in general try to avoid pain. This tendency is not unique to our culture, is it?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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One example from the Soviets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

“Example from the Soviets”? Buddy that actually happened. You don’t get to deny the truth just because it is inconvenient or makes you look bad.

You're just further perpetuating whataboutism. The point is that yes, it happened, but it's distracting from the topic at hand.

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Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse,…

Can you point to any articles or pet her sources of the three letter agencies getting backdoor access to social media sites?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Example from the Soviets”? Buddy that actually happened. You don’t get to deny the truth just because it is inconvenient or makes you look bad.

You're just further perpetuating whataboutism. The point is that yes, it happened, but it's distracting from the topic at hand.

Talking about the truth is not a distraction. You are being taken for a ride. “No don’t look behind the curtain! It’s just a distraction!”

The healthy adult thing to do would be to own up to it and work on fixing the problem.

“Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.”

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A big push for it comes from the fact that many peoples, spread across two continents, identify as American. Our continents are the Americas.

This I get, and have seen before (cool Mexican tv shows), but I'm more intersted in a detailed history of "USian"'s initial use and spread. So far I've only seen it on hn, but definitely more than I'd expect since it's such an odd to read word.

Do you have a similarly brief alternative?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse,…

Can you point to any articles or pet her sources of the three letter agencies getting backdoor access to social media sites?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
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