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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by einpoklum »

capableweb wrote: post #82
1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

> When you can target specific demographics > control what they see > People are literally being programmed [...] by the specific triggers I hate marketing/PR as much as the next person, but have become part of daily life. How do we get rid of it? Outlaw the practice of trying to influence people by marketing? Edit: Rereading your comment I realize you're talking about something else, but I guess the same applies non…

> How do we get rid of it? Outlaw the practice of trying to influence people by marketing?

Perhaps the first step towards getting rid of it is realizing that it is not "we" who legislate things. That is, not a collective including yourself which has your best interest in mind to a significant extent. "We" have to face the reality in which "they" set up this system - legislatively and commercially.

And I don't mean some evil cabal; you (or me) sometimes participate in the activity of "them". It's just that "we" need to stop identifying "their" actions as what "we" decided to do.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by bequanna »

ok123456 wrote: post #290
bequanna wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people are at Guantanamo? The answer is about 30 people vs. about a million innocent Uyghurs in Chinese internment camps. All of the things I mention are easily verifiable by credible sources while you are (for some reason) parroting CCP taking points. Hmm…

All of these "verifiable" claims all originate with one man and have no evidence.

Please stop spreading Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda.

Evidence of the Uyghur camps is ubiquitous:

https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c...

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details...

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #133

Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse, since chinese have a lot less access to those people if they start causing trouble than the local US agencies), and now it's someone else too.. but for "the rest of the world", it's just another country doing the same as has been done before by americans.

If you're bothered by social networks having access to a lot of very personal data, you're late to the game... if you're bothered because it's a different country, then welcome to the club.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by threeseed »

axxto wrote: post #278
threeseed wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is asking you to choose which story to be more outraged about. Just that you really should stick to the topic at hand. Otherwise why not bring up that car accidents are a much bigger problem than social media.

"Condemning the actions of a foreign government" and "condemning similar actions by your own government" seem a little more related and on-topic than "social media and car crashes". And in my own personal opinion, that's especially true if those questionable actions by your own government overshadow any other similar effort both in scope, size and funding by several orders of magnitude when compared to the rest of th…

a) Be polite. I never called anyone a shill.

b) Drone strikes and social media are not related either.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by verdverm »

grugagag wrote: post #19

Im more curious what tiktok data amouts to and how it could be used by CCP. I’ve heard of bans of Tiktok use by politicians and army bases and such. Without sensitive location data to some specific users but solely the young sharing memes, I wounder how CCP could use that data… Not a Tiktok user myself, if anyone could illuminate me on this it’s be great. For example does tiktok have direct messages from users to use…

It's often more about what they can show you than what they can see, but what they fun see about you helps them decide how to nudge your beliefs

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

slim wrote: post #200
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #133

Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

I know this feeling. It probably just means that you live in different reality than half the people commenting here. Maybe half the people commenting here are not americans ? It's still interesting and on subject, because social networks are probably what is causing this divide, because bubbles are isolated by design

I'm one of those not-americans, and for me it's just another different country getting my data (well.. would-be, if I had tiktok installed... or if i had facebook... so for me personally, it's only google that's problematic right now).

Americans, welcome to the club of "the rest of the world"-ers, where foreign governments get access to our data :)

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by hedora »

1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

In particular, the lawsuit alleges they are in compliance with a Chinese law that sounds identical to the US CLOUD Act.

Is that terrible? Of course. However, US law is as bad or worse.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

bostonwalker wrote: post #189
kelipso wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Dump all the US instances into the memory hole. Only bring it up when China does it. When you bring up how US does it too, it's "whataboutism". Have to say it's a great strategy for maintaining a narrative.

Would China allow US to spy on hundreds of millions of its citizens everyday? Answer: no, reference the Great Firewall.

I mean... "the rest of the world" (except china, north korea and maybe some other country with a "great firewall") allows US to spy on millions and billions of it's citizens daily... all the android phones, facebook apps, instagrams, snapchats etc.

...sadly.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by woooooo »

threeseed wrote: post #294
axxto wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Condemning the actions of a foreign government" and "condemning similar actions by your own government" seem a little more related and on-topic than "social media and car crashes". And in my own personal opinion, that's especially true if those questionable actions by your own government overshadow any other similar effort both in scope, size and funding by several orders of magnitude when compared to the rest of th…

a) Be polite. I never called anyone a shill. b) Drone strikes and social media are not related either.

The drone strikes are linked to intelligence, which sometimes comes from the faang/natsec relationship.
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