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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by quarok »

wmidwestranger wrote: post #312
syndacks wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure Plato’s cave applies here.

Forgive my dusty memory but I think the relation is that most people stay in the cave, not because they enjoy the experience or they're completely ignorant of the sky, they stay because they are unprepared, incapable, or unwilling to leave. I doubt most people believe that TikTok is valuable to them but I'm sure many find it irresistible once they are hooked.

My understanding of Plato's cave is that it is about the disparity between the ideas in our head and reality. For example, you know what a triangle is, but there is no such thing as a triangle in the world, only imperfect shapes with three sides that approximate a triangle.

This means that it is not "most people stay in the cave" - it is, "we all stay in the cave because it is impossible to bridge the gap between theoretical construct and lived experience, but we all know about both".

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

merek wrote: post #320
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse,…

> if you're bothered because it's a different country, then welcome to the club. The issue is which country has access to our very personal data, not simply a "different country". There are many countries whose citizens would trust a foreign government ahead of their own.

Let's say you're an american... and that you're plotting some anti-government movement at home. Which is more problematic... china knowing that, or your own government knowing that?

I live in a small eu country... and as in most other eu countries, any weird request from china (for extradition or whatever) would just get ignored... if US asked... well, just look at assange.

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

The conversation here dances around the topic, but nobody really talks about it. The same applies to almost every media outlet. Everyone is talking about something, but that is mostly irrelevant and doesn't give any insight. Interesting pattern.

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Post by [deleted] »

meowtimemania wrote: post #198
hiatus wrote: post #116

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> Ultimately you are in control of your eyeballs and your time. Stop watching! There are people making hundreds of thousands of dollars whose sole job is to get you locked into a feedback loop in these apps. We are engineering addiction.

Why would TikTok or FaceBook not engineer addiction? It generates more money for them. If they don't engineer addiction, another company will emerge and engineer addiction. I think this type of problem has to be solved by the government.

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Post by sva_ »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #293
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #133

Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse,…

> and now it's someone else too.. but for "the rest of the world", it's just another country doing the same as has been done before by americans.

As someone from Europe, I strongly disagree. There's a HUGE fucking difference between China having our (western) data compared to the USA. Unsure why you'd even make such a silly argument.

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Post by mardifoufs »

sva_ wrote: post #325
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be aware, that many people here are not from USA, and their/our first thought is, that facebook and many others do that too. So for many of us, a foreign entity already has access to our conversations, content, and all the same data now china has from tiktok. For americans it might be different, since until now, it was only their three-letter agencies checking up on them (which technically is even worse,…

> and now it's someone else too.. but for "the rest of the world", it's just another country doing the same as has been done before by americans. As someone from Europe, I strongly disagree. There's a HUGE fucking difference between China having our (western) data compared to the USA. Unsure why you'd even make such a silly argument.

Yes, because you live in the west. Again, that's not true for the rest of the world. I for sure would rather prefer China reading my stuff than the US if I was still living in the middle east, for example.

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Post by mardifoufs »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #253
anaganisk wrote: post #168

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So US being supportive of Israel is not being an accomplice in genocide?

No. We agree on their right to exist. We don’t support their apartheid. It’s a policy failure to treat countries as monoliths.

Sending billions of dollars per year sure sounds like direct support for their actions.

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Post by j-bos »

adultSwim wrote: post #239
j-bos wrote: post #197

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When did USian become a thing? Or rather, what's the etymological path into common use?

A big push for it comes from the fact that many peoples, spread across two continents, identify as American. Our continents are the Americas.

This I get, and have seen before (cool Mexican tv shows), but I'm more intersted in a detailed history of "USian"'s initial use and spread. So far I've only seen it on hn, but definitely more than I'd expect since it's such an odd to read word.

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Post by [deleted] »

mardifoufs wrote: post #326
sva_ wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and now it's someone else too.. but for "the rest of the world", it's just another country doing the same as has been done before by americans. As someone from Europe, I strongly disagree. There's a HUGE fucking difference between China having our (western) data compared to the USA. Unsure why you'd even make such a silly argument.

Yes, because you live in the west. Again, that's not true for the rest of the world. I for sure would rather prefer China reading my stuff than the US if I was still living in the middle east, for example.

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