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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by kevviiinn »

leothecool wrote: post #298
JPKab wrote: post #267

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> So those outside the US can get insights into what the US is and how it thinks from threads like this. No, everyone outside of your head can get insights into your willingness to cherrypick a single comment and extrapolate to fit your pessimistic, hyper-critical mental model. It's also interesting how you talk about incarceration rates independently of crime rates, and act as if the US is prosecuting and incarcerat…

> the US is prosecuting and incarcerating broad swathes of innocent people. There's about half a million people in jail right now who haven't been convicted of a crime. Some of them are innocent, for sure.

Considering how often police lie and plant evidence, I would say a hefty number are innocent

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by electriclove »

r00fus wrote: post #283
sidewndr46 wrote: post #197

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The police aren't going to pursue any suspects over a stolen TV period. The obligation of the police is not to solve crime. They are more or less required to create a police report for you, but that is about it.

Not to defend the police but the cops (in CA) did follow up on a burglary of my wife's handbag (with wallet/ids/phone) from her car at a gas station. If the theft was part of a bigger issue with (to use the Kwikset hypothetical) the vendor's product defect allowing mass thefts then it would be important to the police.

The cops in San Jose CA did nothing when the glass was shattered and my bag was stolen from my car.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by lesuorac »

inconceivable wrote: post #147
HillRat wrote: post #46

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These lawsuits are part of a longstanding effort by cities and states to try and develop a theory of manufacturer legal accountability through public nuisance law, an effort that is perhaps morally laudable but legally fraught; to date, other than a few outlier environmental cases from the '70s, courts have almost uniformly declined to create a kind of parallel product-liability law through nuisance. While individual…

this is also seemingly the strategy for anti-gun manufacturer efforts. so far they don't seem to be successful.

Can you clarify?

Afaik, lawsuits again gun manufacturers are actually successful [1].

[1]: https://apnews.com/article/sandy-hook-school-shooting-reming...

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by aksss »

MavisBacon wrote: post #255
aksss wrote: post #183

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Cities get what cities vote for. If they naively vote for "good intentions" over practical policy, there's a cost to the lessons learned. The cost may exceed the value, particularly if the lessons could be called self-evident. The cost can also be ruinous (e.g. Portland, S. Francisco.). In the long view, we can hope for correction and that the philosophical observer can say, "Well, that didn't work out like we though…

Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, constantly dealing with people fleeing the city for the county, and they have been in large numbers since the 70s. Not the same flavor of hysteria as SF or Portland

I would suggest that something rhymes in the how prosecutorial discretion and bail policies are implemented in each of these places, though my point isn’t to compare one city to the other aside from them all being examples of “one reaps what one sows” at a practical policy level.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

prmoustache wrote: post #265
lowkey_ wrote: post #241

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High incarceration rate makes sense when the US has a high crime rate. I don't understand why anyone thinks incarceration rate should not be correlated or would not be correlate to crime rate. Incarcerating criminals isn't the issue, having so many criminals is the issue.

Apparently incarceration and death penalty do not really work as a deterrent in this country. Is it because most of the violent crimes are related to drug addiction?

Prison isn't supposed to be a deterrent in this country. It's to separate the criminals from everyone else.

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Post by mattmanser »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #296
swearwolf wrote: post #223

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1.) Though this is becoming an increasingly popular viewpoint in many of the American cities that are experiencing these problems right now, it’s far from universally held. 2.) The U.S. is not a monolith, so looking at the prison population of the United States as a whole doesn’t tell you about what’s going on in an individual state or city. 3.) The number of people incarcerated has a long tail. In the U.S. in partic…

I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

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Post by olyjohn »

Whinner wrote: post #231
peoplearepeople wrote: post #167

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No it's completely ridiculous that police think this is a car manufacturer issue. This is a failure of the police

I don't think you realize how easy it is to steal these cars. Look up a few videos. You rip off the plastic on the steering column, pry out the ignition cylinder and then use the A end of a usb cable to turn the exposed nub to start the car. Under 30 seconds. While there are other issues going on, this is gross negligence on Kia/Hyundai to not use an immobilizer.

Cars have been this easy to steal forever. Thieves generally take your car in under 30 seconds regardless. This particular vulnerability was just one of the first to get fully documented and distributed to everybody and popularized by an algorithm.

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Post by olyjohn »

plagiarist wrote: post #222
macinjosh wrote: post #164

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Schwinn does nothing to stop bicycle thefts. Let’s sue them too!

If a Schwinn-branded bicycle lock is so easily broken that the majority of thefts are from opening those locks, why not?

Schwinn is so negligent they don't even come with locks. Let sue them!

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Post by pb7 »

kevviiinn wrote: post #319
mindslight wrote: post #310

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The fundamental problem is that the misguided attempt to criminalize drugs destroyed respect for the law for generations. Once you're at risk of being locked in a cage for decades for engaging in behavior that would otherwise just be called running a small business , then robbery isn't a huge leap. Especially after your industry ends up creating its own parallel justice system because the usual courts have been made…

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I looked up "police state" and got this:

>a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities

Can you explain how the US is all of those things?

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