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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

nomel wrote: post #483
MichaelVangard wrote: post #455

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What does obsolete mean to you? There’s nothing obsolete about a 2019 iPad Pro. It received the most recent iPadOS update and it’ll certainly receive an update to iPadOS 17. The hardware is as good or better than current entry level iPads. The battery should still be good, but maybe yours needs replaced.

From people that use these sorts of terms in my life, it's an internal justification to make a new purchase, usually with a payment plan.

Hmm, if that were the case I would have just done it already. But no, I looked at the trade in value for it via Apple's exchange program, and they said...they would be happy to recycle it for me.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by illiac786 »

stevenhuang wrote: post #493
illiac786 wrote: post #415

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But fast charging makes batteries very hot too. Btw, you basically just asked people to know when they are wrong. Seems very optimistic...

Where did I say fast charging doesn't make batteries hot? I've built LiPo packs from scratch and rebalanced cells manually, I know something about LiPo degradation.

So I'm confused, what are you saying: fast charging is making batteries hotter, or wireless charging is making them hotter?

I'm genuinely curious but you don't give details or you simply answer with a question...

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by Jedd »

digging wrote: post #475
Jedd wrote: post #434

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Perhaps just buy a Home Mini for $50 in addition to this tablet?

Missing the point.

Au contraire.

A vendor has produced a device that does what it does, and is marketed at an optimised price point.

Someone has looked at it and said 'this device should be a different device' and claimed that it's a trivial matter to make it more like a device that they want.

I can't dispute they want a different device, but I can dispute it's a) trivial, and b) sensible, for the vendor to have produced a different device instead.

It's a common trope on HN, where the local demographic's expectations and use cases are often much dissimilar to the general population's. And that's okay, so long as we're aware of it.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by worik »

fweimer wrote: post #419
worik wrote: post #382

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Yes. This is the problem with the tablet duopoly I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end" I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well. Why can I not get a tablet like that?

In my experience, the issue with tablets running GNU/Linux is not so much hardware driver support, but that the usual desktop just does not support touch input very well. For example, last time I tried, Debian does not build Firefox in such a way that you could use it with a touch screen for scrolling, opening links in new tabs, and so on. Similarly, evince did not properly support navigation in PDF documents. But li…

It was for a project that would have been the only programme running, with ts own bespoke interface

Went with the iPad.

Yuk

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by scarface74 »

m45t3r wrote: post #499
scarface_74 wrote: post #441

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The original poster just said that some apps required the latest OS. iOS 16 supports all phones back to the iPhone 8/X released in 2017. > This is very different from iOS that once it stops receiving updates, you're pretty much screwed up. Apple just released a security patch for the iPhone 5s January of this year. It was released September 2013. It was the first 64 bit iPhone and the first that supported LTE. Is Goo…

> The original poster just said that some apps required the latest OS. Yes, of course there is a small number of apps that will need the latest OS, because they're trying to do something new that is not possible before etc. This is not true for 99% of the apps that you use though, and is specially not true for apps used by the mass market like Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/your bank because you would be crazy to only su…

The equivalent iPad in 2013 when your tablet was released is the 1st iPad Air that had a slightly better screen than your Asus and a much better processor - the A7. It stopped getting OS updates in 2019 and also got a security update January of this year.

The version of WebKit available in 2019 is not “ancient”.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by stevenhuang »

illiac786 wrote: post #502
stevenhuang wrote: post #493

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Where did I say fast charging doesn't make batteries hot? I've built LiPo packs from scratch and rebalanced cells manually, I know something about LiPo degradation.

So I'm confused, what are you saying: fast charging is making batteries hotter, or wireless charging is making them hotter? I'm genuinely curious but you don't give details or you simply answer with a question...

Any type of charging generates heat.

At any wattage, wireless charging at 70% efficiency will always generate more heat than fast charging at 95% efficiency.

If you want to compare 5w wireless charging to 100w fast charging, even then it's not obvious the wireless charging is better, because it will still thermal throttle and stay throttled for longer, at least a few hours. Meanwhile fast charging will charge it to 80% state of charge in half an hour and then trickle charge to full.

The notion that this is somehow "debunked" is just against physics.

https://www.androidauthority.com/100w-wired-vs-wireless-char...

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by springogeek »

I've had bad experiences with the hardware maintenance of Google devices. Things break down and Google don't provide good ways to repair them if the device is older than a couple years, so while it's cool, I don't think I'll go for this.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by futhey »

makeitdouble wrote: post #305
crazygringo wrote: post #2

> The included charging dock is also a speaker. I've gotta say, charging docks are a killer feature for me and I don't understand why Apple doesn't do the same. There used to be the Logitech Base [1] that I still use with the previous-gen (9th) iPad, but the smart connector in the newest iPad (10th gen) is no longer compatible with it, as the angle of the edge changed. It's been years since I plugged in my phone or A…

Apple isn't good at charging. There's a lot of aspect they excel, graphic design, ergonomics, material etc. Charging has never been their forte. I present as evidence: - the original humongous 31 pin ipod cable - the harpooned mouse - the wireless charging mat they never could deliver - the first Apple pencil (and its usb-c charging cable...) - their previous gen desktop keyboards charging over lightning Their only g…

Day 1 user of the Apple Watch. I hated Gen 1. But I have the most vivid memory of the magnetic wireless charging solution it came with. It felt novel and ahead of its time.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by kllrnohj »

vineyardmike wrote: post #208
pphysch wrote: post #180

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It's quite fascinating. Apple ships their tablet with a stylus, while Google ships theirs with a charger-speaker-dock. Apple is saying "this is for the creatives" while Google is saying "this is a home console".

Apple made or tried to make the operating system useful enough to use productively with a stylus and keyboard. Google has not yet. Remember the original iPad was very much NOT a keyboard/stylus device. Google is a few years behind, but fwiw their device supports Bluetooth keyboards and styluses they just don’t make a first party one.

Uh, Pixel C? Google did the magnetically attached keyboard that turns it most of the way into a laptop long before Apple did. And the keyboard part worked great.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by illiac786 »

stevenhuang wrote: post #506
illiac786 wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I'm confused, what are you saying: fast charging is making batteries hotter, or wireless charging is making them hotter? I'm genuinely curious but you don't give details or you simply answer with a question...

Any type of charging generates heat. At any wattage, wireless charging at 70% efficiency will always generate more heat than fast charging at 95% efficiency. If you want to compare 5w wireless charging to 100w fast charging, even then it's not obvious the wireless charging is better, because it will still thermal throttle and stay throttled for longer, at least a few hours. Meanwhile fast charging will charge it to 8…

Well I don’t know, if people tested and don’t see any difference, wouldn’t that count as “debunked”?

A quick internet research shows the Internet consensus is, wireless charging does not degrade batteries faster. At least it seems there is no empirical data proving otherwise, which at the very least would indicate the difference is small, if any.

I think until I see (good) empirical data proving either of the theories I’m going to stay skeptical.

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