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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by dpatterbee »

theshrike79 wrote: post #341
grumpyprole wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is FUD. Samsung promise 5 years of security updates and 4 OS updates: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standar...

It's not FUD. Apple has _delivered_ updates for multiple generations of devices for 5+ years. Samsung has promised to update for 4 OS versions. They haven't delivered anything yet. We'll see in 2027 if they can actually deliver.

Casting fear, uncertainty and doubt over a manufacturers claims is literally what FUD stands for. And that's what you're doing.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by worik »

hackernewds wrote: post #379
kentiko wrote: post #364

Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.

my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

Yes.

This is the problem with the tablet duopoly

I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end"

I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well.

Why can I not get a tablet like that?

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by bacro »

not_your_vase wrote: post #299
unstuck3958 wrote: post #294

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> Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. Is this a US-only thing? I have not been actively looking into the latest Android offering, but I got my sister a Xiaomi Pad 5 [1] two years ago, which I believe delivered much more value at that time compared to the latest iPad 10.2 I owned, at a slightly cheaper price too. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202…

I'm in Europe, and also believe that iPads are unbeatable when talking about price - in both nominal and price/value ratio sense. I have been an iPad user for over a decade. 2 years ago I was shopping for a new tablet. I went to a local electronics shop trying some of them out: the affordable (~300 EUR for me) Lenovo, Huawei and Samsung ones all stuttered even in their own setting menu. The high end Samsungs were nic…

iPad still has huge disadvantages to me:

- Android tablets have the Opera browser which has text reflow functionality which works much much better than anything else. This is a huge deal for me. - I can access the file system and do whatever I want with it. - I still like notifications more in Android vs iPadOS.

If it were not for these things, I would buy an iPad in a heartbeat.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by bergie »

vineyardmike wrote: post #208
pphysch wrote: post #180

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It's quite fascinating. Apple ships their tablet with a stylus, while Google ships theirs with a charger-speaker-dock. Apple is saying "this is for the creatives" while Google is saying "this is a home console".

Apple made or tried to make the operating system useful enough to use productively with a stylus and keyboard. Google has not yet. Remember the original iPad was very much NOT a keyboard/stylus device. Google is a few years behind, but fwiw their device supports Bluetooth keyboards and styluses they just don’t make a first party one.

Android has supported keyboards and mice pretty much forever, I think.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by lloeki »

hackernewds wrote: post #379
kentiko wrote: post #364

Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.

my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

I presume it's a 6th gen (A10).

While A10 phones stopped receiving OS updates with iOS 16, this iPad is still supported by iOS 16.

I had an iPhone 7 (same SoC) til early this year with iOS 15 and it was fine (changed because it got physically destroyed); I was never prevented to install any app even though iOS 16 was released well over 6 months before. I have a 7th gen iPad (A10) and iPad Pro 10.5 (A10X) and they both work perfectly fine with iOS 16.

In any case, even if it stopped being supported that's a far cry from that aforementioned Pixel situation where it stopped being supported _the next year_.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by qup »

worik wrote: post #382
hackernewds wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

Yes. This is the problem with the tablet duopoly I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end" I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well. Why can I not get a tablet like that?

I got a surface tablet. The one that just runs normal windows.

I'm not a Windows user normally, but it's the best "tablet" OS by far IMO.

You can get WSL, and honestly I would be surprised if you can't install Linux on it, but I haven't actually checked.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by pyrelight »

ehsankia wrote: post #82
dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

> for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem Yet after over a decade, iPads still don't support multiple profiles for a device that's very often used in a household by multiple people. Something that this very first generation Pixel Tablet does.

When Apple inevitably copies that feature it will be "revolutionary"

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by qup »

alpaca128 wrote: post #320
makeitdouble wrote: post #305

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Apple isn't good at charging. There's a lot of aspect they excel, graphic design, ergonomics, material etc. Charging has never been their forte. I present as evidence: - the original humongous 31 pin ipod cable - the harpooned mouse - the wireless charging mat they never could deliver - the first Apple pencil (and its usb-c charging cable...) - their previous gen desktop keyboards charging over lightning Their only g…

- the iPhone battery case with the battery bump on the back

If I recall this was like eighty bucks and guaranteed to break your charging port within ten days.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by 0_____0 »

hackernewds wrote: post #379
kentiko wrote: post #364

Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.

my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

??? I run a 2015 ipad and I haven't run across an app that won't run on it.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by 12907835202 »

kentiko wrote: post #364

Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.

My Pixel C is running great. I basically just use it as a netflix machine for camping/road trips/hostels. If I download offline on WiFi and then stick on airplane mode I can watch 10-12 hours on one charge even after all these years.

Considering i'd only watch 1-2 hours a day that's a week of TV per charge. I love it.

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