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SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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...on around $100B of capital raised. i.e., -39%. Poof! So far. -- For those here who don't know, Masayoshi Son almost lost everything in the dotcom bust of 2000-2002. A single investment saved him from ruin back then: Alibaba. Was that luck or skill? In hindsight, it looks a lot like luck to me. Either way, he's clearly a bet-the-farm-and-actually-can-lose-the-farm kind of guy.

I know what you mean by "bet the farm" but let's remember that he won't ever go hungry or be homeless.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#32
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles What poor and middle class assets does SoftBank manage? (EDIT: Nvm. I misread “vehicle” as an investment vehicle.)

He meant Uber. Uber is siphoning residual equity in people's vehicles into cash for Uber by underpaying for depreciation.

If we translate that from financial to real-world terms, it means that people aren't getting paid enough to cover wear and tear on their cars.

I think that depends on how much you paid for the car and how long it will last (depends on quality, how good the maintenance is, and luck). Also, cash pays the rent and lower depreciation doesn't (unless you sell the car), so some people may prefer this to borrowing money.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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post #12

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

It doesn't get the wealthy especially rich either, looking at the losses.

Who gets rich on Uber and similar apps are all the programmers that visit this website, we make good money on all those schemes. We get paid really well. We are who really gets the best deal in all this.

(Now I need to hide away before the flying shoes hit me.)

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#35
post #14

> Yoshimitsu Goto, the tech conglomerate’s chief financial officer, said on Thursday that the company would not miss opportunities to invest in new technology such as ChatGPT, but cautioned that it was not ready to accelerate its deal activity. Apparently Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman didn't read the classic essay: "Goto considered harmful" before making massive investments in SoftBank.

My favourite conspiracy theory lately is that the Saudis needed to increase the oil price to recover losses from their VC investments.

What better way to do that than to pay a couple hundred million a year to each washed up soccer player they can recruit to play in the desert?

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder if ARMs business model works long term. Imagination Technologies crashed the exact same way.

They'll have Apple's (likely immense) license fees for at least a decade - Apple won't make another architecture change anytime soon. And the rest of ARM's business... it's not like there are any alternatives. China hasn't managed to create a competitor, and even if they do it may very well be sanctioned and so useless to the US and EU. Intel/AMD's x86 is a dead end for the high-efficiency, low power market that ARM…

ARMs behavior lately is pushing a lot of riscv investment, my prediction is that Apple will migrate away from ARM 10years from now to something they can self-control, like riscv with some Apple-only extensions

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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post #29
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He meant Uber. Uber is siphoning residual equity in people's vehicles into cash for Uber by underpaying for depreciation.

Well said. Would like to see an economic / accountant analysis of this.

Go look it up, it's been done before. Uber basically required you buy a new car in certain circumstances, and don't pay enough to keep up with gas, repairs, and value loss of running a car around.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#38

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

Not being incredibly successful doesn't make it a fraud. I don't think anybody invested in it because Uber misrepresented the market.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#39
post #21

...on around $100B of capital raised. i.e., -39%. Poof! So far. -- For those here who don't know, Masayoshi Son almost lost everything in the dotcom bust of 2000-2002. A single investment saved him from ruin back then: Alibaba. Was that luck or skill? In hindsight, it looks a lot like luck to me. Either way, he's clearly a bet-the-farm-and-actually-can-lose-the-farm kind of guy.

I know what you mean by "bet the farm" but let's remember that he won't ever go hungry or be homeless.

Easy to do when you only have to bet other people's farms.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#40

SoftBank is a meme at this point but I'd imagine most VCs are down on paper as well, rising interest rates crushed the valuation of pretty much every startup

It's almost like none of them had any actual value, and the vast majority of them were just attempts to crush and take over existing markets using outside war chests.
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