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SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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It's not "loss". The money of SBV (Saudis?) has changed hands and now belongs to whatever startups or funds they had invested in.

That’s what “loss” means. They gave it away and didn’t get it back.

What else would it mean in this context?

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#12

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#13

Masayoshi Son should really be a mod in r/wallstreetbets

Alongside Bill Hwang, who famously lost $20 billion by excessive leverage. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-04-08/how-bill-...

Hwang is the greatest. Most rich people just get comfortable/scared and go to index funds while there was absolutely no reason to stop given the amount of liquidity in the public markets.

Ironically he ran out of liquidity, but it was a great example of what's possible.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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> Yoshimitsu Goto, the tech conglomerate’s chief financial officer, said on Thursday that the company would not miss opportunities to invest in new technology such as ChatGPT, but cautioned that it was not ready to accelerate its deal activity. Apparently Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman didn't read the classic essay: "Goto considered harmful" before making massive investments in SoftBank.

My favourite conspiracy theory lately is that the Saudis needed to increase the oil price to recover losses from their VC investments.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

I do wonder if ARMs business model works long term. Imagination Technologies crashed the exact same way.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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post #12

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

Yeah, it's crazy how much of the end-game of so much tech essentially boils down to something like this.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Masayoshi Son should really be a mod in r/wallstreetbets

Alongside Bill Hwang, who famously lost $20 billion by excessive leverage. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-04-08/how-bill-...

Made the $20B through excessive leverage, too.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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post #6

It's not "loss". The money of SBV (Saudis?) has changed hands and now belongs to whatever startups or funds they had invested in.

That’s what “loss” means. They gave it away and didn’t get it back. What else would it mean in this context?

That's not a loss, that's an investment in an asset. It's a loss because the assets have devalued.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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post #12

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

> to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles

What poor and middle class assets does SoftBank manage? (EDIT: Nvm. I misread “vehicle” as an investment vehicle.)

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