This is not Kemal Kilicdaroglu who is the main challenger to Erdoğan, and in fact could help his chances. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-la...
Al Jazeera says the opposite, his voters are closer to Erdoğan.
Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
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Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.
> Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update. That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s what keeps the USA from devolving to the 51% mob rule flavor of the month after each election.
Many countries update their constitutions much more regularly and don't have that sort of thing happen to them. Why do you think the US would be any different?
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#53I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.
> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop f…
Also wouldn't this technically be considered revenge porn under current US law?
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
What should be our takeaway from the fact that foreign capitalists don’t like Erdoğan?
That it's irrelevant? What matters is why they don't like him (obviously you can agree on specific things with people you otherwise heavily dislike), and in this case it's because he's pursuing an economic policy that hurts pretty much everyone, domestic citizens and foreign investors alike. Foreign capitalists and foreign left-wingers both dislike Erdogan and dislike eachother - trying to gain meaningful takeaways f…
Only if you assume that the capitalists are being honest about why they don’t dislike him.
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not like or dislike, they’re betting on the economic future of Türkiye - and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdoğan is bad for Türkiye.
I'd say they're betting on their possibility to extract wealth from Turkey, and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdogan is bad for their possibility to extract wealth from Turkye.
We are not talking about imperialist sources trying to colonize a nation. Capitalism has its shortcomings, which can surely be discussed, but it isn't an evil plan to reallocate the most resources from a zero-sum game to the "foreign capitalists".
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management Forward may very well be more of the same or worse. Only time will tell if their system is systemically and irrevocably broken.
What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.
It's hard to put my finger on the problem. Speaking generally and in only my opinion, Turks have a general lack of faith in any public system. The court system has barely worked, the parliamentary system was recently crippled.
I could go on, but to keep this short it's not clear that there is a cohesive political will to move toward a rule by system rather than rule by person. There is a large segment of the population willing to vote for a personality and an astonishing tolerance for key personnel to be changed when the new person is voted in.
Consider that their economy is going to break (further) no matter which candidate gets chosen and there will be little room for improvement.
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not like or dislike, they’re betting on the economic future of Türkiye - and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdoğan is bad for Türkiye.
I'd say they're betting on their possibility to extract wealth from Turkey, and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdogan is bad for their possibility to extract wealth from Turkye.
When they bet on bonds, they essentially bet on the government not to default. When they bet against bonds, they expect a sovereign default, which would be terrible for everyone involved.
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management Forward may very well be more of the same or worse. Only time will tell if their system is systemically and irrevocably broken.
What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.
To be fair, having a constitution that’s nearly impossible to change or update may be helpful during years when authoritarians are in power.
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.
> Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update. That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s what keeps the USA from devolving to the 51% mob rule flavor of the month after each election.
> 51% mob rule
How is this distinguishable from democracy?
Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update. That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s what keeps the USA from devolving to the 51% mob rule flavor of the month after each election.
Many countries update their constitutions much more regularly and don't have that sort of thing happen to them. Why do you think the US would be any different?
The US has a large number of fairly undemocratic institutions such as Congress (supremely gerrymandered in many states), the electoral college (frequently favors the person who lost the popular vote) and the Senate (which rewards the same number of reps to 39,000,000 people as it does to 500,000 people).
These institutions offer routes for extremist positions to take power which they could then entrench with a more malleable constitution.