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Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

rayiner wrote: post #28
pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is that the bond market thinks it’s a positive sign, and foreign investors aren’t rooting for Erdogan: ”Investors reacted positively to both the new polls and İnce’s withdrawal from the race, pushing the price of Turkey’s international bonds higher. A US dollar-denominated bond maturing in 2030 was trading on Thursday with a yield of 8.54 per cent, down from about 9.2 per cent at the start of the week. ”Bo…

What should be our takeaway from the fact that foreign capitalists don’t like Erdoğan?

Someone can be a totally awful authoritarian bad leader and be hated by (presumably also totally awful) foreign capitalists. That's a thing.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by Lutger »

kergonath wrote: post #13
jmclnx wrote: post #3

I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.

> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop f…

I assumed this referring to the recent Trump case, so it is actually about sexual abuse.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by scandox »

bitL wrote: post #26
scandox wrote: post #2

Just so the relevance here is clear. He claims it is a deep fake.

Soon everything will be deep fake regardless of being deep fake and we all will just have to believe or not.

To me that's the interest of the story. First sighting for me.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

rayiner wrote: post #28
pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is that the bond market thinks it’s a positive sign, and foreign investors aren’t rooting for Erdogan: ”Investors reacted positively to both the new polls and İnce’s withdrawal from the race, pushing the price of Turkey’s international bonds higher. A US dollar-denominated bond maturing in 2030 was trading on Thursday with a yield of 8.54 per cent, down from about 9.2 per cent at the start of the week. ”Bo…

What should be our takeaway from the fact that foreign capitalists don’t like Erdoğan?

It’s not like or dislike, they’re betting on the economic future of Türkiye - and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdoğan is bad for Türkiye.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by enraged_camel »

psychlops wrote: post #27
pavlov wrote: post #8

This improves the chance of Erdogan's main opponent winning the election because opposition votes won't be split across multiple candidates. So despite the weird sex tape business, this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management of the Erdogan era.

> this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management Forward may very well be more of the same or worse. Only time will tell if their system is systemically and irrevocably broken.

What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by NeuroCoder »

kergonath wrote: post #13
jmclnx wrote: post #3

I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.

> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop f…

I see where you're coming from but we've had a lot of politicians over the last several years implicated in some pretty bad stuff. From sexual harassment to sex trafficking.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by vikramkr »

rayiner wrote: post #28
pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is that the bond market thinks it’s a positive sign, and foreign investors aren’t rooting for Erdogan: ”Investors reacted positively to both the new polls and İnce’s withdrawal from the race, pushing the price of Turkey’s international bonds higher. A US dollar-denominated bond maturing in 2030 was trading on Thursday with a yield of 8.54 per cent, down from about 9.2 per cent at the start of the week. ”Bo…

What should be our takeaway from the fact that foreign capitalists don’t like Erdoğan?

That it's irrelevant? What matters is why they don't like him (obviously you can agree on specific things with people you otherwise heavily dislike), and in this case it's because he's pursuing an economic policy that hurts pretty much everyone, domestic citizens and foreign investors alike. Foreign capitalists and foreign left-wingers both dislike Erdogan and dislike eachother - trying to gain meaningful takeaways from who specifically does and doesn't like someone else is probably not wildly helpful

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by enraged_camel »

kergonath wrote: post #13
jmclnx wrote: post #3

I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.

> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop f…

I think the issue isn’t the sex, but the circumstances surrounding it. Such as infidelity or exploitative power dynamics.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Post by csunbird »

kergonath wrote: post #13
jmclnx wrote: post #3

I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.

> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop f…

In case of Turkish politicians, they are all claiming to be following the religion of Islam and it is forbidden to have non-marital sex in Islam religion.

Such tapes can definitely end someones political career very swiftly in Türkiye.

Unfortunately, someone claiming not to be following Islam religion is not going to be elected at all, but maybe this will change into the future, so that religion stops being criteria to be elected.

Maybe one day...

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