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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

> I will not, and probably cannot, pay and subscribe to any random website I am gonna visit to remove ads to make the experience tolerable, when I can just block the ads. Okay, but how do you square that with the fact that hosting content costs money? Are the people and companies which provide the content you look at not allowed to earn money to keep the servers running and the sysadmins fed?

If you rely on ad revenue and people do not enjoy using your product more than enduring your ads, maybe your business model is wrong to begin with?

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#722

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

On mobile YouTube right now I see two unskippable ads before every video. How long before some genius needs to juice his numbers this quarter and come up with the bright idea of three unskippable ads? Google made over $250 billion in 2021, $30 billion of that is thought to come from YouTube, can someone explain to me what is wrong with this status quo? If blocking a subset of users is such a good idea, why isn't Google rolling it out to everyone today?

To the bean counters who seem to have overwhelmed Google, losing a few users might seem like a dog losing some fleas. They are out of ideas for growth. Once blitz scaling has reached the limits of user acquisition the only play left to juice the numbers seems to be “boil the frog”, going to war with their Oort cloud of free users, pay up or else. Are the c-suite types at Google aware that this is exactly the mindset that will make their decline into irrelevance inevitable?

Elon Musk inadvertently turned Twitter into a howling wasteland in a few short months, which shows what happens when you boil the user frog too quickly. Imagine how Twitter would look today if Elon instead doubled down on making Twitter the best user experience, offering users tools to make Twitter more relevant, making it an unmissable service for users, and in turn unmissable for advertisers? But instead he pulled the lever all the way from utopia to hellscape, attempting to shake down users to restore some functionality to a clearly degraded product. Enshitifying (thanks Cory Doctorow) the user experience is not a compelling reason to subscribe.

Here's a radical idea: customer acquisition and retention by offering the most compelling product.

I'm not against advertising per se, I’m against being shaken down to regain a user experience that should be the default. Here are two examples of successful advertising models:

1. Lex Friedman does an ad read at the beginning of his podcast. It’s intentionally skippable, I skip it 90% of the time. But when I'm busy with bread dough on my hands or whatever, I'm still hearing the ads, which are mostly repeat offerings anyway. Advertising is not always appropriate, eg at a kids birthday party or showing a video in a lecture. The lesson: MAKE IT SKIPPABLE!

2. Inserts into shows / product placement, like on VFX Artists React. These seem harder for a behemoth to monetise but I like these because I know that the actual creators are getting paid. Youtube doesn't want to deal with creators with anything closer than a dashboard. This is not the end users fault, it’s not the content creators fault, it’s a symptom of absentee capitalism. Youtube should invest in creators and form true partnerships. The lesson: INVEST IN DEALING FAIRLY WITH HUMANS!

I’m not going to pay, I will continue to avoid ads but watch them occasionally. I’m going to keep playing the game of whack-a-mole finding software / hardware solutions. And when a competitor comes along with their slider set more towards user friendliness I’m going to jump ship.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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I pay for the premium. I have a 2nd gen Chromecast. For some time there is a modified interface and it is akin to Youtube TV. So you see thumbnails for the proposed videos there. They also advertised having a remote control for the interface from the Youtube app on the phone. They display often a huge banner to sign in for the best experience. But when you try it gives an unhelpful message: "Can't sign in. You can still watch YouTube as ... bla bla". It is intentional: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1537338169108140033

If you select a video from this interface you will be served with ads. Sometimes with an additional banner to sign in and enjoy Premium.

I would gladly ignore this interface, but my daughter likes to select things out of it. I would just prefer to have it like it was before (just a static image until you play something) instead of this thing screaming at me.

That sometimes makes me want to cancel the Premium.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#724

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

Ad-blocking also gives you similar if not more extra security to anti-virus software, with fewer downsides (faster not slower). I'm afraid the ad ecosystem is so big that occasionally, threats slip through.

This may be true on random-site-X on the internet, but is not true on sites like YouTube, Reddit, Twitch, Facebook, etc that run their own first-party ad platforms.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#725
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The problem with YT is: - I start the video, an ad is shown within 30 secs. - I fast forward a few minutes, the SAME ad is shown again. - I jump to anywhere on the timeline, the SAME ad is shown again. At least show me something that is relevant, like facebook does. The ads there reflect what I usually look for. On YT, none of the ads are relevant to me, ever. It's just ridiculous.

- Ads crank up the volume to 11. We were watching Eurovision singing contest the other day from YT and my gawd was that annoying. Adds in the middle of every song, volume being cranked up for the adds, and as a icing on the cake, probably due to bug somewhere, the playback went to pause after each ad (iPhone airplaying to AppleTV).

If you've got a local public broadcaster, you might want to watch the stream via them instead.

Eurovision should usually be free of ads after all.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#726

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Ad-blocking also gives you similar if not more extra security to anti-virus software, with fewer downsides (faster not slower). I'm afraid the ad ecosystem is so big that occasionally, threats slip through.

This may be true on random-site-X on the internet, but is not true on sites like YouTube, Reddit, Twitch, Facebook, etc that run their own first-party ad platforms.

Yet.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#727

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

The problem with YT is: - I start the video, an ad is shown within 30 secs. - I fast forward a few minutes, the SAME ad is shown again. - I jump to anywhere on the timeline, the SAME ad is shown again. At least show me something that is relevant, like facebook does. The ads there reflect what I usually look for. On YT, none of the ads are relevant to me, ever. It's just ridiculous.

While it is irritating the frequency of them, personally I prefer ads that aren't relevant. I'll spend my money when I want and I don't like to be manipulated by an ad. Plus I like to feel that online marketers know as little about my preferences as possible and are wasting their advertising budget just showing me useless products and services. I'm looking at you Grammarly...

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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At least for YT there's a solution: YT Vanced Or other YouTube clients with ads disabled :) There is even a SmartTV YouTube App that works like a charm. It even skips as blocks in the video itself. Only casting then uses the original app with ads. Edit:// as long as I would need 2 premium accounts for all my active devices I don't accept that as a real solution

Vanced has essentially been disabled recently, unable to play anything. I don't know if YouTube is going on a murdering spree of everything that threatens ads on the platform.

There's now revanced which works just fine though.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Yes! Ad blockers are an accessibility tool for people with executive functioning disorders! Can you imagine the uproar if a mainstream website blocked screen readers for people with low vision?

Then Google might be liable under various laws that support disabilities, varying per jurisdiction obviously.

All Captcha's could in the USA be illegal aswell under the ADA.... As some people with learning disabilities won't be able to complete them.
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