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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#701
I do my best to keep the ads on when I'm using services that are ads-sustained, but... Come on YouTube, you're throwing several minutes long ads at me, and if I don't click "skip" because I'm washing the dishes, then instead of compensating me for watching it by going to the video (as you do when I hit "skip"), you throw another ad at me because you know that I'm likely unable to skip that as well.

Also I'm more and more convinced that YouTube listens on my microphone for running water.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#702

I would happily pay for youtube premium if: - They removed the useless "shorts" - They removed the "mix" things that keep coming back like a bad smell - They let me remove youtube music - Their suggestions were less terrible. Like seriously they run the biggest data centers in the world, have some of the best ML researchers and know what I actually watch. How do they manage to be so consistently bad at this? - Their…

I don’t understand. You would pay for YouTube premium if youtube had less features? I don’t use shorts and for a long time I didn’t use YouTube music either (despite paying for premium). I now use it because it’s rather good. And YouTube’s recommendation algorithm is crazy good, but you have to tune it. It’s a tool. You tune it by not watching shitty videos you don’t like; if you do, remove them from your history aft…

Yes it would be better if it didn't have those features in the same way that I would pay more for a Burrito if someone had not taken a shit in it.

I might be a weird edge case. I do all the things you say but the recommendations totally suck for me. I only watch videos I like. I watch a lot of videos. If I ever watch something I didn't like I remove it and thumbs down and yet all the recommendations are total garbage.

Edit to add: i get that shorts, mix and music are things some people like. I really don’t and I hate that mix I can’t remove at all and shorts I can remove for 30 days and then it comes back. It feels like google is doing this sort of dark pattern bs more and more.

That said: I have been convinced by people pointing out how much more valuable premium views are to people who make the stuff I watch so have subscribed. Makes me puke just a little bit to say that.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#703

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At least for YT there's a solution: YT Premium. Sure, as other comments have said, it doesn't scale to all websites, but youtube isn't just any website.

I'm not paying for anything until they remove the "this is the bubble we have prepared for you" recommendation algorithm. Plus I gladly watch ads, but not the same ads (do the companies pay triple if I watch the same ad from them I wonder) ever again.

Repitition reinforces the ads, just like in other 'learning', advertisers will always want us to retain their ads, I can't see the 'waterboard them with annoying ads' technique going away in any country that Capitalism manages to keep its talons embedded in.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#704

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

> the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete.

This is the main point IMO. When you have a printed newspaper or magazine you are not annoyed by the ads.

If we had ads that (1) do not move, (2) are not modal/do not pop up, (3) do not track you outside the website, (4) do not take MB's of data I would be willing to tolerate them and they could even be helpful.

Youtube has become unwatchable without ad blockers. It used to be better than TV, now it is worse and you cannot skip them.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#705
I used to use Premium, but then I stopped because I don't get anything in return. Now it's just extortion from a criminal who says "pay money or you'll watch a lot of terrible ads". What I get is third-party clients (on my phone) or plugins on my PC: - can be removed from the subscriptions feed: community messages (I came to watch videos, not read posts). - remove premieres (announcements, when it comes out then I'll watch it). - remove short videos - delete broadcasts - choose to download h264 (because few laptops and phones support AV1, which is currently decoded by the processor, heating the device and draining batteries) - disable video track downloading if you need only sound (including in the terrible YouTube music) - view dislikes - disable translation of video titles. It's annoying when the title is in English or, for example, my native language, and the video turns out to be in Vietnamese, Indian, and doesn't have an additional audio track or at least subtitles. - Blocking video channels I don't like - blocking videos with titles in a language that is not interesting or pleasant to my ears (for example, Indian or Vietnamese). - sponsor block (integrated advertising, as in ltt, half of the video is advertising), and this is with mediocre content that is better prepared by blockchain games with a much smaller budget. - selection of video quality, without resetting the settings - setting the subtitle position (top/bottom) - downloading videos in open video and audio formats (for offline viewing on the go in a convenient player) - And finally, blocking the usual YouTube ads. There are many more small features in the mobile apps.

What's in it for me with YouTube? Nothing! - YouTube could create several levels of subscriptions. - Create your own sponsor block. If a video has embedded ads, skip them and show your own. Or in the settings, give the author a choice: either he earns only from integrated advertising or YouTube advertising. - All the other functions provided by plugins (and this is on the client side, there are no costs on the server side). - warnings about deletion or skimming of videos in my playlist (I have 40% of videos in my music playlist for 5 years, and I don't know which videos were deleted to find the originals). - YouTube can reduce its costs by banning uploads, or by strictly moderating stupid videos of 10 hours, which are looped 10-second snippets and the like, videos for cats, dogs, snails and fantasy animals that will never buy anything from ads. - For podcasters, making it possible to download audio and previews is already a savings, because there is no need to store a meaningless "video". And also big problems with YouTube: - terrible search and filter. - It takes a lot of computer resources. - You complain about the channels not being shown to me, but they are shown anyway. - videos/channels are blocked automatically for unknown reasons and complaints from the left heel of some offended mama's son - the same thing is shown in shorts

If YouTube closes the api and pushes through a manifesto so that adblockers don't work, or work terribly. Then I will use YouTube as a regular site that I will visit once or twice a month, that is, it will definitely not be a premium subscription, and there will be a meager viewing of ads. AMD has also introduced a new streaming board, and more of them will appear, and separate blogger communities will be formed that are independent of YouTube, and YouTube will have an outflow. Among my friends and acquaintances, almost no one uses YouTube anymore because it's not convenient. More of them are on social networks, Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. That is, most of them will not even notice the death of YouTube, because it is almost dead for them, and they go there only when necessary.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#706

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You also get YouTube Music, which is not as great as Spotify, but nonetheless worth something. In fact, that’s the primary reason everyone I know who has YouTube Premium subscribes: music steaming + ad-free YouTube. That needs to be factored into your calculation, no?

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem to offer a cheaper price for people who only want YouTube, right?

At least in Sweden they are offering Youtube Premium lite which is just ad-free Youtube (no Youtube Music)for about $6/month.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#708
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>I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting not saying this applies to you but might it be that ads are distracting enough that they would be an actual accessibility problem affecting people with ADHD - if so is not allowing people to block ads likely to run into legal issues?

Yes! Ad blockers are an accessibility tool for people with executive functioning disorders! Can you imagine the uproar if a mainstream website blocked screen readers for people with low vision?

Then Google might be liable under various laws that support disabilities, varying per jurisdiction obviously.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#709
Noone seeing the obvious connection to Manifest v3?

"Oh, it appears with the new Chrome extension API it is impossible to write an adblocker that bypasses this. How could that have happened? Google told us they only have our best interests in mind, so this must've been by accident."

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#710
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- Ads crank up the volume to 11. We were watching Eurovision singing contest the other day from YT and my gawd was that annoying. Adds in the middle of every song, volume being cranked up for the adds, and as a icing on the cake, probably due to bug somewhere, the playback went to pause after each ad (iPhone airplaying to AppleTV).

That’s what TV (first, broadcast, and then, cable) was like in the 80s and 90s, and was a small part of why we jumped at internet video. For TV, there were devices that promised to automatically lower the volume when commercials came on - I don’t remember how they were supposed to work.

I wonder if those devices simply looked at the volume and said, "If it's high [perhaps for a few seconds at a time], then it's probably an ad". Seems like a pretty good heuristic.
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