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Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by helge9210 »

choeger wrote: post #33
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

In Germany, it's not the social system per se but it's aoparent utter ineffectiveness. We're paying more and more every year but the state/public system seems to fail everywhere and worse so than the year before. It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole. And no, it's not because of reduced taxation from rich to working class, or missing taxes on property or some other policy. These…

> It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole.

It feels like this is the main goal.

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Post by virtualritz »

dantheman wrote: post #44
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

What are you talking about? The US has one of the most progressive tax systems, and like 50% of people don't even pay income tax. The government wastes money and the medical establishment is corrupt -- but that has nothing to do with rich people living off of the poor. The poor in America are far richer than the poor in most other countries.

> The poor in America are far richer than the poor in most other countries.

You probably mean the US/Canada. 'America' includes South America for which this is not generally true.

However, replace 'America' in your sentence with any developed country and the statement is indeed generally true. And thusly of little value to this discussion.

Specifically it doesn't change the fact that the poor in the US are much poorer that the poor in most (possibly all?) developed countries. [1]

And I do not mean this solely in the sense of pure numbers as in e.g. [2]. But rather what it means to be poor.

I.e. how dignified or undignified a life do the social support systems of a country and the view of the resp. society on the poor allow you to live, should you fall in that bracket?

[1] https://confrontingpoverty.org/poverty-facts-and-myths/ameri...

[2] https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-gap.htm#indicator-c...

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by 6510 »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #3
forgotmysn wrote: post #2

uh ya no shit. start-ups froth over having devs with experience at big tech co's so they can throw the logos on their decks. thank the lord the WSJ is performing society-driving journalism like this.

I mean, I do agree, but isn't this what journalism is? Reporting on the facts? It's a thing that's happening, ergo it's news. If there's a shooting and shootings have happened before, is that not still news? It happened after all. It's got to be better than just ignoring things because it's status quo.

There is so much stuff happening that to come to the tiny selection you can stack the filters to the roof. The first one would be: What would the people paying our bills like to see? What does our network like? What is our political affiliation? Who and which companies do we like or not like? How much drama or feel good stories does our current audience need?

It's so refined there is pretty much no meat left in the sausage. It is an engineering project and you are the raw materials.

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Post by sofixa »

bujak300 wrote: post #42
ant6n wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovati…

Do you possibly have more specific information about france? I would love to know more

There are a few different things:

You can get a part of what you would receive as unemployment benefits as capital to invest when creating/taking over a company: https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F15252

And you can also just continue receiving unemployment benefits while creating a company, as long as revenues are below a certain threshold: https://www.legalstart.fr/fiches-pratiques/autoentrepreneur/...

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by nivenkos »

Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

I'd love to move, but getting a green card is a nightmare.

I don't want to work for 5 years trapped with one employer and facing deportation with a matter of weeks if I lose my job, on an L-1 visa (and to do that I'd still have to find a position to move to in my company).

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by nivenkos »

Demoloto wrote: post #48
inotherwords1 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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His responsibility? Due to moral and ethics of course. I can't go to a burger flipper restaurant without a bad feeling if I know that the person working behind the counter is basically a modern slave and also works 40h but doesn't have any rights at all. It's hard for me to say 'i want worker rights' and ignore everyone around me. And as a backup mechanism: guess what? It can happen to you. But also your family or fr…

But those jobs should be automated so no-one has to do them.

And that process should be supported by a high minimum wage - hitting the employers, not taxing productive work to provide tax credits to subsidise such terrible jobs.

Automation leads to more high-tech jobs and investment, and higher productivity, which leads to higher wages as companies compete for highly skilled employees, etc.

Economic mobility and productivity is the key to prosperity.

> And yes we're is your proudness for your country when you know there are people who can't afford going to the dentist and have to wait for a year with a rotten teeth to get it fixed 3h away in a sports gym because there is the once in a year free dental service event?

This is sadly the same in Europe, as dentistry mostly isn't covered under public healthcare in the UK and Sweden for example. So we pay almost 50% tax just to be in the same position!

But I support universal healthcare (including dentistry and opticians), it's a critical part of economic mobility. People can't move jobs or take risks if they'll lose healthcare coverage.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Animatronio »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35
choeger wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, it's not the social system per se but it's aoparent utter ineffectiveness. We're paying more and more every year but the state/public system seems to fail everywhere and worse so than the year before. It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole. And no, it's not because of reduced taxation from rich to working class, or missing taxes on property or some other policy. These…

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Yes, but suppose there's a "road company" you'd have to pay a toll to. Obviously they love profit margins and since they're a monopoly (they own the road) the toll would soon balloon to $20 then $35 then $100.

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Post by dfee »

virtualritz wrote: post #53
dantheman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The US has one of the most progressive tax systems, and like 50% of people don't even pay income tax. The government wastes money and the medical establishment is corrupt -- but that has nothing to do with rich people living off of the poor. The poor in America are far richer than the poor in most other countries.

> The poor in America are far richer than the poor in most other countries. You probably mean the US/Canada. 'America' includes South America for which this is not generally true. However, replace 'America' in your sentence with any developed country and the statement is indeed generally true. And thusly of little value to this discussion. Specifically it doesn't change the fact that the poor in the US are much poore…

> You probably mean the US/Canada. 'America' includes South America for which this is not generally true.

Whether you like the colloquial usage or not doesn’t change its colloquial usage nor (on review) one of it’s formal definitions.

Curious why this is a crusade you’ve joined, though.

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Post by asnyder »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #49
asnyder wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!

Definitely not really true. Under 15% of students receive BAFÖG [1]. No idea where you got the idea that German students get free housing at many Universities as that couldn't be further from the truth considering that there are only enough rooms for around 10% of all students [2] and those are definietly not free, although pretty cheap. However many struggle to find an Apartment, especially in bigger Cities like Ber…

I said many, not all :). You're right, housing isn't free, but if you get student housing it's usually less than the monthly stipend thus free for the student.
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