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Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

mullingitover wrote: post #37
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Private companies can certainly hold their own when it comes to waste and incompetence. Government doesn’t have a monopoly on these things.

Agreed, but private companies also face competition (which incentivizes as little waste as possible) that the government does not.

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Post by bujak300 »

ant6n wrote: post #31
_vbnz wrote: post #29

American engineers are lucky to earn enough to be able to save up and do stuff like this, like on $200k you can save enough to really try a start-up for a year or two. Whereas in Europe we're lucky to get $80k in the same jobs, and then the state steals half of that :/

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovati…

Do you possibly have more specific information about france? I would love to know more

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

batmansmk wrote: post #39
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

Average salary in SV is 115k, 22k in France. USA live off its neo-colonial digital empire, not through the exploitation of blue collars. When any digital company out there pay 30% of what they earn in tarifs on cloud, ads, servers, licenses, app revenue, patent litigation, …

Let's agree to say 'and'.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by dantheman »

Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

What are you talking about? The US has one of the most progressive tax systems, and like 50% of people don't even pay income tax. The government wastes money and the medical establishment is corrupt -- but that has nothing to do with rich people living off of the poor. The poor in America are far richer than the poor in most other countries.

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Post by RangerScience »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35
choeger wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, it's not the social system per se but it's aoparent utter ineffectiveness. We're paying more and more every year but the state/public system seems to fail everywhere and worse so than the year before. It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole. And no, it's not because of reduced taxation from rich to working class, or missing taxes on property or some other policy. These…

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Having or not having the money to spend doesn't really seem to be a real factor in whether or not it's spent well.

See: Everything you just talked about and cost-plus contracts. The US demonstrates both.

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Post by dantheman »

mullingitover wrote: post #37
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Private companies can certainly hold their own when it comes to waste and incompetence. Government doesn’t have a monopoly on these things.

Clearly you've never worked in the government.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by nxm »

asnyder wrote: post #34
ant6n wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovati…

Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!

*free=tax payer funded

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

inotherwords1 wrote: post #36
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

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His responsibility?

Due to moral and ethics of course. I can't go to a burger flipper restaurant without a bad feeling if I know that the person working behind the counter is basically a modern slave and also works 40h but doesn't have any rights at all.

It's hard for me to say 'i want worker rights' and ignore everyone around me.

And as a backup mechanism: guess what? It can happen to you. But also your family or friends might be in the position. So it is also beneficial to fight for this for your friends and family.

It's the same shit with equal pay: I would have less strss if my wife would earn similar to me so I don't have the pressure to always work in my job to make it for my family.

And yes we're is your proudness for your country when you know there are people who can't afford going to the dentist and have to wait for a year with a rotten teeth to get it fixed 3h away in a sports gym because there is the once in a year free dental service event?

Proud American ey?

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Post by FinnKuhn »

asnyder wrote: post #34
ant6n wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovati…

Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!

Definitely not really true. Under 15% of students receive BAFÖG [1]. No idea where you got the idea that German students get free housing at many Universities as that couldn't be further from the truth considering that there are only enough rooms for around 10% of all students [2] and those are definietly not free, although pretty cheap. However many struggle to find an Apartment, especially in bigger Cities like Berlin or Munich.

[1] https://www.bafoeg-rechner.de/Hintergrund/art-2416-bafoeg-st... [2] https://www.iwd.de/artikel/wohnungsnot-der-studenten-verscha...

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by 6510 »

asnyder wrote: post #34
ant6n wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovati…

Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!

IMHO it is the worse time to start a startup. You should do it while still in the uni so that you can get all kinds of help. Equally good seems some actual experience(?) People have been writing software and running businesses for a good while. Maybe they know something?
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