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Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Wrong. The low-quality content farm will be out and the high-quality site will be fully paywalled (no more data to AI). For instance, when searching for information on setting up RDS, like high availability MySQL on self-hosted servers on-premises, neither ChatGPT nor Brad provided the necessary details. I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-prem…

Why wouldn't Google [replace with whoever becomes owner of leading AI platform] just hire experts themselves to generate for LLMs? Seems like the obvious next step. For clarity, I'm not saying I particularly like that future, but I have a hard time grasping why you think a paywall would be an obstacle here. Especially not for the wealthiest corporations (ever). Additionally because most paywalls to information have v…

Paywall sites allow google in but not you. That will change if no traffic is given.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. The low-quality content farm will be out and the high-quality site will be fully paywalled (no more data to AI). For instance, when searching for information on setting up RDS, like high availability MySQL on self-hosted servers on-premises, neither ChatGPT nor Brad provided the necessary details. I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-prem…

Why wouldn't Google [replace with whoever becomes owner of leading AI platform] just hire experts themselves to generate for LLMs? Seems like the obvious next step. For clarity, I'm not saying I particularly like that future, but I have a hard time grasping why you think a paywall would be an obstacle here. Especially not for the wealthiest corporations (ever). Additionally because most paywalls to information have v…

This is just too expensive. Google is used to get all the content for free.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

> My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. This feels like the same philosophical difference that leads to debates about GPL vs. Apache licenses. The "how dare someone else make money using my work" camp vs. the "if someone else is able to make money using my work, more power to them" camp.

That was more about Google/Microsoft crying about not being given absolute freedom to do whatever they wanted with somebody else's IP.

Google even banned AGPL at one point from its code hosting platform - it was that upset with open source.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

> My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. This feels like the same philosophical difference that leads to debates about GPL vs. Apache licenses. The "how dare someone else make money using my work" camp vs. the "if someone else is able to make money using my work, more power to them" camp.

Monetization is not what GPL vs. Apache license is about, even if that's often how the Apache proponents want to paint things.

The GPL doesn't prevent you from making money; it only requires you to contribute your changes back. That way others can also make money based on your work, like... you just did!

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. The low-quality content farm will be out and the high-quality site will be fully paywalled (no more data to AI). For instance, when searching for information on setting up RDS, like high availability MySQL on self-hosted servers on-premises, neither ChatGPT nor Brad provided the necessary details. I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-prem…

> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

Ha, jokes on you, I’ll just be using LLM’s to churn out obscene amounts of plausible-sounding-but-actually-incorrect amounts of content on the same topics, hosted across a variety of domains. Almost anything shortcut LLM’s provide can be a countered and aggressively wrapped in return.

N.B. I’m not actually going to do this, but it’s still a straightforward attack.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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You think AI will stop and pause as it comes across your "interesting things"? Hey look, it's enthusiast content, let's send our users directly to their website? I don't think so. It's going to be vacuumed into the big machine and nobody will visit those websites. In fairness, pretty much nobody does today.

So what? As an enthusiast am I supposed to be motivated by the page counter on my site? Besides, good writers are good writers. Would you rather read Matt Levine or some AI summary of his latest piece? I'm just not seeing the problem. IMO the whole obsession with driving clicks was silly from the get-go and destructive now. If AI does away with that, great. And if people whose sole motivation for writing was to get c…

In this future there is no Matt Levine because he can't make a living getting viewers and no replacement.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

You aren't helping people, though, you're helping a for-profit company earn billions of dollars off your, and other's good will and knowledge. The for-profit company is helping people, in exchange for direct and/or indirect monetization. Your blog post's knowledge-dump ends up never being seen. This is why StackOverflow reacted so poorly to Stack Exchange's announcement they would be using all of your hard work to tr…

I feel similarly to prepend: I often write things up because I want to help people by sharing knowledge. I don't care whether people get that knowledge via directly seeing it on my site vs hearing it second hand from a friend vs reading it in LLM output.

It's not important that my contribution go directly from me to the other person; what matters is that they get the information they're looking for.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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The issue is getting people to click on your website, why would any one do that if the entire content is already extracted by the ai, which directly gave it to the user?

Well, finally people will just make things for the pleasure of adding to the knowledge in the world rather than trying to "build an audience" or "monetize my content" or whatever. No one is going to click through to your blog, so you have no incentive to shittify it. We're going back to the original days of the Internet that HN users often beg for. Now only the true creators will create for the sake of creation: ars…

The early days of the internet people made content and it was easy to find and get readers.

Under this new world your content is impossible to find by real users. Opposite of the early internet

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Edit: forget about clicks, it's about typeins now.

People always said to build a brand. I think today that is most important than ever.

I just read documentation pages nowadays. Rarely do I click on a tutorial article.

The news, I get from my usual sites. Entertainment, from streaming.

And with the flood of AI generated books, this really could be the return of the blog.

Long live blogs!

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