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‘Nearshoring’ Push Is Fueling Tech Job Demand in Latin America

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Post by mikeryan »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #50
mikeryan wrote: post #34

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Mexico is going to need to change their labor laws if they want a big piece of this pie. I’ve had a nearshore team in Mexico for four years the people are great for all the reasons mentioned. The gap, however is costs. We’re used to “at-will” employment in the states are used to a “Hire slow, fire fast” paradigm. In MX the cost to fire a full time employee is 3 months severance (regardless of seniority) plus 20 days…

It hadn't occurred to me that some people were hiring nearshore employees directly. I thought it was all contractors, in part to smooth out the regulatory differences

That comes at about a 25% premium over salaried employees. For shorter term work and trying out a market it makes sense but if you want to build a long term presence salaried employees with excess cash for severance is more economical.

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Post by mikeryan »

no_wizard wrote: post #124
carlosjobim wrote: post #104

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For good workers it is better, as it is easier to get hired and you won't have to pick up a bunch of slack for useless colleagues who are impossible to fire. And if you are fired it's easy to find a new job. Hard firing is only good for employees who don't deliver.

Stronger protections help good workers too, such that it eliminates some risk in changing jobs, for example, to take on new opportunities that may be really exciting. It also adds some nominal value to tenure at a job (IE, there is a known ahead of time amount of severance you can expect if things do go sideways for reasons beyond your control, like in a merger) The assertion that it only helps employees who don't de…

Stronger protections hurt better workers, likely more then it helps. It means companies are more apt to keep marginal workers and expect the higher performers to make up the difference

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Post by danmaz74 »

Tade0 wrote: post #57
danmaz74 wrote: post #25

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I stayed in London for three years, then moved back to Italy because with the pandemic I had gone to the office only twice in 18 months, and because my wife and daughter didn't like London a lot; I was able to keep my job as a hands on team leader (Rails+React) with the same company I was working for. Now I'm looking for a new job, from Italy, and I'm finding that it's much more difficult to do that when you're alrea…

My social circle's experience is that it's easier and more convenient to find a remote position in a company based in Ireland. Also tech salaries are higher because Ireland is a country with effectively two, very different economies and wages in the UK outside of London are surprisingly low.

Thank you for the suggestion, will take a look!

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Post by brianbreslin »

haliskerbas wrote: post #24
NickC25 wrote: post #14

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I'm in South Florida. All big companies here have a big tech presence in LatAm, especially Argentina & Chile. The last company I worked for had maybe 5 developers tops locally, the rest were based in Argentina. Funny enough my old landlord is not technical at all yet runs a near-shoring dev shop, primarily in Argentina....she charges a pittance in pure USD terms compared with local devs but somehow she's managed to m…

How did she connect her devs with her clients?

When I first recruited devs in latam 18 years ago, I posted job ads in the local newspaper, local job boards, etc. (I had no idea what I was doing tbh). I think today I would reach out to the professors at the local universities, many of whom I've met over the years running their own nearshoring shops as their main source of income vs teaching.

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Post by brianbreslin »

NickC25 wrote: post #118
yardie wrote: post #26

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We've bumped into each other. I'm also a Miami dev and part of the 00s brain drain. It's been exciting to see this city change so much. And I've gotten to meet so many amazing developers and engineers.

Probably. I've been down here 7 years now and I used to be pretty active in the local scene in terms of going to meetups, talks, etc.. I am not as active these days but participated in Hack Week. We probably have a few folks in common. Do you participate in any of the meetups like Brickell Tech Tuesday, the Wynwood Tech slack group, etc..?

Is wynwood tech slack group still around? There was a period a few years back when there were like 5 competing slack groups (MIA Tech, Miamitech, RefreshMiami, WynwoodTech, etc). Also Hey Joe!

I used to be much more active in the local scene, but having a kid + covid shifted my focus to other things. But it is wild to see how much it has changed here in 5 years.

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Post by NickC25 »

brianbreslin wrote: post #145
NickC25 wrote: post #118

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Probably. I've been down here 7 years now and I used to be pretty active in the local scene in terms of going to meetups, talks, etc.. I am not as active these days but participated in Hack Week. We probably have a few folks in common. Do you participate in any of the meetups like Brickell Tech Tuesday, the Wynwood Tech slack group, etc..?

Is wynwood tech slack group still around? There was a period a few years back when there were like 5 competing slack groups (MIA Tech, Miamitech, RefreshMiami, WynwoodTech, etc). Also Hey Joe! I used to be much more active in the local scene, but having a kid + covid shifted my focus to other things. But it is wild to see how much it has changed here in 5 years.

I mean, it kind of is (i recognize your name - aren't you one of the guys who started the group?). I joined it as well as Refresh and some others back when I moved here 7 years ago. Now it's just a small amount of people who occasionally post there. It's pretty much dead, though.

The local scene here is, well, sort of dead. CIC is no more, The Lab isn't hosting (m)any community events, Wynwood is now overrun by tourists more than it ever was since I've been here, and the Brickell event seems to be the only thing going (shoutout to Chuck!).

There are crypto-focused events i think but i'm not really into crypto so I wouldn't really know.

Also - side note: I founded an EdTech company here in 2017 and recently closed it. I checked out your latest project, looks super cool - congrats!!!

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Post by NickC25 »

yardie wrote: post #138
NickC25 wrote: post #118

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Probably. I've been down here 7 years now and I used to be pretty active in the local scene in terms of going to meetups, talks, etc.. I am not as active these days but participated in Hack Week. We probably have a few folks in common. Do you participate in any of the meetups like Brickell Tech Tuesday, the Wynwood Tech slack group, etc..?

On my way to the miami tech happy hour now. I participated at ‘22 and ‘23 Hack Week. I was really impressed by the winners, Yenta.

Neat - I was in the Social House this year during Hack Week. Hack Week is great but it just kind of adds to the whole notion that Miami isn't really a city to grow in, it's a city to come down for a little bit, do something, and leave. Very transient, almost too transient. I was one of 3 people in my house that actually live here, even though the house's roster was close to 40 people. Everyone was from SF/LA.

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Post by no_wizard »

mikeryan wrote: post #142
no_wizard wrote: post #124

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Stronger protections help good workers too, such that it eliminates some risk in changing jobs, for example, to take on new opportunities that may be really exciting. It also adds some nominal value to tenure at a job (IE, there is a known ahead of time amount of severance you can expect if things do go sideways for reasons beyond your control, like in a merger) The assertion that it only helps employees who don't de…

Stronger protections hurt better workers, likely more then it helps. It means companies are more apt to keep marginal workers and expect the higher performers to make up the difference

I'd need to see data to really believe this is the norm rather than an outlier

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Post by carlosjobim »

no_wizard wrote: post #148
mikeryan wrote: post #142

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Stronger protections hurt better workers, likely more then it helps. It means companies are more apt to keep marginal workers and expect the higher performers to make up the difference

I'd need to see data to really believe this is the norm rather than an outlier

I hope you understand that it is not possible to make such data? You have to use common sense to determine if the assertion is valid or not.

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Post by sershe »

ye-olde-sysrq wrote: post #68
holoduke wrote: post #53

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Hope for Mexico they dont follow the unhumane worker rights of the states. Basically europe has the same principles as in Mexico and people in Europe have good lifes.

Yeah, TIL Mexico is so pro-Labor. It's disgusting to see "we have to pay 6 months severance to chuck out someone who spent half a decade of their lives with us!" said unironically, even on this board.

So, when you decide to leave a company where you have spent half a decade, do you provide 6 months free labor, or do you do the disgusting thing and just leave?
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