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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by yamtaddle »

hot_gril wrote: post #322
shmoe wrote: post #299

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Weird, I think you left out the part where they did include the dongle for the 3.5mm jack for at least 2 generations after they removed it and still offer one. But to each his/her own.

This is always brought up by people who don't actually use the dongle. Anyone who's tried it doesn't consider it a solution, and I described in a sibling thread why. If it were, then people wouldn't buy AirPods, so Apple would get rid of the dongle like they got rid of the jack :)

Can confirm, dongle's not an actual usable alternative for most situations. IRL you'll lose the little fuckers, they'll be in the way for any devices without missing hardware (and get lost when you remove them for that device), they're fragile, and you'll never have them when you need them anyway. They're theoretically a replacement for the removed headphone jack, but in actual fact they're worthless.

I just use my phone for fewer music-playing situations than I otherwise would, and when I do use it for playing music, it's a mixed bag. Controls on the car console are nice (aside from that the UI sucks and exhibits all kinds of glitches, but that's not Apple's fault), but BT is BT, so, more annoying and less reliable than a cable. My $120 BT headphones are... fine, but I'd rather have better wired headphones for the same price and not have to charge them. Being able to connect to a bluetooth-enabled receiver across the room is handy, but also janky, because of course it is, because it's bluetooth.

If they'd just kept the jack, everyone could be happy. Except Apple, from the somewhat-lower sales of wireless audio devices and especially AirPods.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by smoldesu »

oceanplexian wrote: post #345
smoldesu wrote: post #257

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Not really. Every entrepreneur has to worship the Steve Jobs handbook if they want jaded middle-aged Disney investors to open their wallets for $TECH_PRODUCT. It's not uncommon or surprising to see people in the startup sphere who are unnaturally defensive of Apple/iOS/MacOS.

Woz and Jobs started out building Blue Boxes ( https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/blue-box-designed-an... ) They then created Apple as a hobbyist outfit in a garage, soldering chips together so they could demo a DIY computer programmed in Assembler at a computer club. As opposed to what, a company that exists to sell the equivalent of billboard ads on the Internet? Out of Big Tech, Apple has the strongest claim…

And when Jobs got the contract from Atari, he lied to Woz about how much it paid so he could take the lion's share. Fraud culture is unfortunately part of their blood too, something we ought to excise if we want the tech industry to be taken seriously in the long-run.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by lancesells »

verdverm wrote: post #82
r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

I'm not an Apple follower, what innovation have they produced in the last 5+ years that the sibling comments deride Google for? I would argue the TPU is far more interesting than the M1, other than that, is it not just marginal improvements on existing products?

There's one thing that made Google great and it was search. It's no longer great and hasn't been for some time. I don't even think it's entirely their fault, but their brand and sentiment has taken a hit from that.

Also, the data harvesting is much more common knowledge.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by deltree7 »

shmoe wrote: post #296
deltree7 wrote: post #232

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yes, most HNers are affected by it. That's why you see a massive anti-corp, anti-tech, anti-capitalist despite data screaming at them the massive benefits of tech, capitalism and corporation.

I believe one of it's defining features is that if you are experiencing the effect, only the people around you know it.

yes, that's why I'm the one who is pointing the following trait to the HN crowd who are blissfully unaware of it -- "Irrationally Hating things / people that have provided net benefit to the society (utility, pension plans, 401(k)s, employee salary, productivity, standard-of-living)"

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by RedditKon »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

Bc none of the features are actually live yet. We keep hearing about what will be released and demos - but HN is mainly do-ers. Their launches would have 100x the impact if people could see and play with it in real time right after the announcement.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by sebzim4500 »

kernal wrote: post #212
motoboi wrote: post #204

So funny to see google stressing EVERYTIME that they have been using AI for years. Dude, you were seated in the pot of gold and let your organizational disfuncionality block you from really using that. And now you come trying to get the crown of AI? Catch up and them we can talk.

OpenAI must be sweating profusely after viewing that I/O presentation. Not only do they not have the integration, scale and user base of Google, but the migration of Bard to PaLM 2 it will exceed whatever OpenAI currently has. Also, it's only a matter of time before their top employee's are poached by Apple and Google.

>but the migration of Bard to PaLM 2 it will exceed whatever OpenAI currently has

I really doubt that. If Google had anything that could seriously compete with GPT-4 they would be shouting about it from the mountains. Not publishing a comparison where they only include GPT-4 in the two benchmarks that they win.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by hot_gril »

yamtaddle wrote: post #361
hot_gril wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is always brought up by people who don't actually use the dongle. Anyone who's tried it doesn't consider it a solution, and I described in a sibling thread why. If it were, then people wouldn't buy AirPods, so Apple would get rid of the dongle like they got rid of the jack :)

Can confirm, dongle's not an actual usable alternative for most situations. IRL you'll lose the little fuckers, they'll be in the way for any devices without missing hardware (and get lost when you remove them for that device), they're fragile, and you'll never have them when you need them anyway. They're theoretically a replacement for the removed headphone jack, but in actual fact they're worthless. I just use my p…

> IRL you'll lose the little fuckers, they'll be in the way for any devices without missing hardware (and get lost when you remove them for that device)

1. I plug dongle into car aux for my iPhone 12 mini to use.

2. Next day, girlfriend wants to play her own music from her iPhone 6, I say to plug the Lightning in.

3. Dongle doesn't work with iPhone 6 despite being same connector -_- She takes it off to plug into the 3.5mm.

4. Dongle falls beneath car seat and is never seen again. Presumably it's next to the other one that got lost the same way.

Went from "it just works" to screwing up the most basic functionality ever, plugging in the damn aux. And it's while you're driving.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by dragonwriter »

kordlessagain wrote: post #24
clnq wrote: post #18

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Around 2013 is when I/Os became less about showing technological progress and more about corporate talk. Examples of I/O topics before 2013: Android, Maps API, App Engine (cloud), Chrome, AJAX for their APIs, real-time collaboration/Wave, Google TV (early predecessor to Android TV), Chromebooks, Chrome Web Store, Google Drive, Google Docs, Google Glass, Gmail updates, Google+, YouTube updates. Most I/O topics after 2…

Bard needs API access.

They are providing API access to at least some models in the same family underlying Bard, but explicitly (while its in preview) prohibiting production/commercial use — not disclaiming liability and advising against it as is common for pre-release products, but actually prohibiting in the ToS.

Google is taking an hypercautious approach around “AI safety” issues that amounts to “we should not release products and if we do they are just demos that no one should be permitted to use for any serious purpose” which is going to hurt them in the marketplace but also does nothing meaningful to deal with either the real and immediate issues with AI or the mixture of other (some real but less immediate but largely science fantasy) issues that typically are referred to under the “AI safety” umbrella (and that’s even more true if you consider from the pov of assuming that the more science-fantasy-ish of those risks are real and serious.)

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by sebzim4500 »

Demoloto wrote: post #344

As usual the most interesting things which actually will change the world is not getting any reactions while dark mode does. Med-Palm2 (and what Google is pushing/working on with partners for a few years) will have a huge social impact. In parallel there are things which are just really weird like the picture with the bench were the shadow us clearly just bad. Anyway crazy how ml is now just here. And in parallel I s…

I understand the skepticism towards Med-Palm2. The only thing they said about its performance was a vague graph with unlabelled axes showing it beating 'expert level'. It's not clear why we should believe them when IBM was making basically identical claims with the same level of evidence a few years.

I certainly hope to be proved wrong, and that medical AI is here at last.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by yamtaddle »

hot_gril wrote: post #367
yamtaddle wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm, dongle's not an actual usable alternative for most situations. IRL you'll lose the little fuckers, they'll be in the way for any devices without missing hardware (and get lost when you remove them for that device), they're fragile, and you'll never have them when you need them anyway. They're theoretically a replacement for the removed headphone jack, but in actual fact they're worthless. I just use my p…

> IRL you'll lose the little fuckers, they'll be in the way for any devices without missing hardware (and get lost when you remove them for that device) 1. I plug dongle into car aux for my iPhone 12 mini to use. 2. Next day, girlfriend wants to play her own music from her iPhone 6, I say to plug the Lightning in. 3. Dongle doesn't work with iPhone 6 despite being same connector -_- She takes it off to plug into the…

Yeah, I lost my first one like a week in when it fell into the (automatic—I'm not cool, I don't drive a manual) shifter. It was so small it managed to fit into the little gap in the rubber guard around it. Lost forever, or at least until someone tears apart the center console of that car for some reason. Only time I've managed to lose something that particular way.
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