Google I/O 2023 • Hacker News Board

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by ddalex » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

adql wrote: post #167

jsnell wrote: post #25

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If you pick 10 random sessions from the program[0], I'd think the odds are that you'll end up with like 8-9 technical sessions or workshops. The keynotes of course target a more general audience, but that's always been the case. (E.g. haven't they been announcing consumer hardware during the keynotes basically from the start?). It seems in line with something like the WWDC, which is a developer conference but with a…

> The number of requests sent exceeds the quota limit. lmfao google can't host a fucking static page

Forgot how to count that low.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by deltree7 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #181

deltree7 wrote: post #175

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Lot of Googlers are anti-big-tech, anti-corporation :) 1) If you think Transformers weren't category defining, I don't know what to say. 2) Metaverse isn't a failure. That's like saying in 2019, "Chat Agents are a failure"

1. Wow you think transformers are a product like Search and Maps and Android are. That's great. 2. I think most people consider both Metaverse and chat agents as failures. ChatGPT isn't a 'chat agent' and most chat agents still don't work. Watching the keynote and Google are expecting developers to cut and paste code into Bard rather than releasing a Bard plugin for code editors and taking on Microsoft directly. Weak…

Most people lack the vision beyond 15 minutes. Of course Metaverse is a failure for them, just like how Internet was just a glorified fax machine for luddites. So, popular opinion is the worst indicator of anything. Happy to make a public bet that Metaverse will consume 25% of a person's day for at least 4 billion people by 2035

If transformer doesn't excite you (mostly due to anti-Google bias), Google has a dozen products that has over a 500 Million users. It takes an unprecedented amount of anti-corp brainwash to say Google isn't successful or innovative.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

actuator wrote: post #162

lawgimenez wrote: post #136

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And Google’s disregard of Android devs outside the America/Europe. I have been doing Android development since 2011 and still impossible to get my hands on a Pixel or Chromebook directly from Google. On the other hand, I could get the latest iPhone shipped in a month.

Google just doesn't have the volumes to provide products in all countries. Providing sales integrations and support is costly and if you don't have volumes, your amortized cost over a device is high.

How much support is required ship internationally? Tiny Shopify stores can do it.

I don't feel like the parent comment was asking for first-class support, just access to the device.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by kyriakos » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

I am slowly feeling like I should move on from HN. I used to find comments much more mature in the past and learned a lot. Lately I predict the general trend I'll see in the comments before even opening the page.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by latchkey » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #132

latchkey wrote: post #105

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Plenty of products are still alive and kicking. AppEngine is a great example of that. Initial release date: April 7, 2008.

No one wants to play the guessing game of which products will live and die (well, maybe those who are compulsive gambler do) https://gcemetery.co/

Ok, so nothing in about 2.5 years and some of these I wouldn't even call products. They also haven't deprecated anything on GCP since March 31, 2021.

https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation

At the end of the day, I'm super glad they have experimented with things and it seems weird to hold that against them.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by spacemadness » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

actuator wrote: post #98

r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

I think it depends on how you define Hacker. This site is very business leaning to begin with in a lot of ways which doesn’t always draw the “hacker” crowd. I will forever think of hackers ideally not being so concerned with operating businesses but being obsessed with technology sometimes at the expense of business concerns.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

tonymet wrote: post #174

majora2007 wrote: post #66

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Me too, plus what's coming with their new phones and most importantly, how they are adding more and more AI into their cameras. I'm exclusively a Pixel user, so it's super important to me.

My family member works for this team. Could you share what makes you a Pixel fan? Some like customizability, open platform . Some avoid Apple lock in. What draws you to Pixel?

It's pretty simple:

Pixel's are just the best "stock Android" phone there is. So many other Android device makers just slap a crappy UI on top of stock Android that offers no real value. In addition, Pixels always get the latest os updates, and Google recently improved support timeframes so they'll get support for years, on par with iPhones - that was a huge sticking point for years.

There are some other specific features of Pixels that are great:

1. Excellent camera

2. The phone features are really fantastic, like auto "call screening" and "hold for me".

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by computing » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:48 PM UTC

In 2018 an obnoxious researcher working at a company known at the time as DeepMind told me (who was working in healthtech) that "AI in healthcare is a solved problem".

It's 2023 now. AI in healthcare is a rounding error and will likely stay that way for a decade or longer. Google blew a 7 year lead of being an AI-first company to a non-profit. DeepMind is now a team within Google, similar to Ads, Drive, and Shopping Express.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by nogridbag » Wed, May 10, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

maxfurman wrote: post #107

mmsnberbar66 wrote: post #70

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yesss not many more small Android phones out there either Google comes up with something nice or I'm getting a used iPhone SE

Every 2-3 years I am severely tempted by The Other Side, especially as a very happy Macbook user. But every time, there's a new phone that's just nice enough to keep me around.

Same, I'm a Pixel user and happy Macbook user, but every time I use an iOS device I have such a terrible experience. I purchased a 10th generation iPad for my daughter. The parental controls are simply broken. When installing apps, the child has to click "Ask" and the notification never appears on my wife's iPhone. And only one parent can be the account "manager". Because I'm pretty good with Google, I was able to find some random Reddit post which has a workaround (the solutions in the Apple forum never worked). You can go into the iPhone's settings and rename the phone, e.g. from "iPhone" to "iPhone 2" then the iPhone starts receiving the notifications from the iPad.

Well, I purchased a second iPad 10th gen for my younger daughter and the same exact problem. Out of the box this basic feature just doesn't work reliably. We're at the point we're renaming my wife's iPhone once a month.

That's just one specific problem we've had, but really it's been a disaster. The setup for both iPads was full of bugs and random issues. Both iPads randomly fail to install updates overnight. I don't recall the last time my Android has ever failed to do a system update. It's just really surprising for me because I assumed a device in it's 10th generation with such a good reputation would be rock solid.