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My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#492Serious question: why do you care so much?
Its just a job. You are drone #23423 who will be sacrificed at any moment for the actual shareholders of the company (ie. not you with your 200k stock bonus). They don't give a shit about you, and you shouldn't care so much when you have no equity.
Get the money, enjoy YOUR life, and move on.
If you really care so much, go start your own company and make 100x more money than those clowns. And no offense but software engineering is probably one of the easiest jobs in the world, all things considered. Literally the only investment you need to get started is a working computer of any kind.
I don't like this kind of shitty behavior either, but that's the world we live in. I'm not going to go out of my way to make any changes when I have literally no upside/equity, I'd rather go do my own thing.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#493Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
Be careful, you are starting to sound like an old person.
https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a...
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody claimed that americans never cheated, yet the blame of things getting worse is put on GP on those coming from “low trust” societies. It’s a xenophobic lie, like if Americans don’t celebrate lying on positive euphemisms like “fake it till you make it” or “being a good salesman”
Do you have an alternative explanation? Or is your stance that it just couldn't possibly be immigrants?
Maybe academic cheating is related to people pursuing a degree more like a passport to riches than a vocational pursuit.
I mean, the whole reason why people also lie in other areas. Which also explains why people of “low trust” societies might lie more rather than “it’s in the culture of those dirty foreigners”.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#495There is a very simple way to stop this behavior: ship a 360º camera to every applicant and dictate where it should be placed, or stop doing remote interviews.
There are even simpler ways to stop this behavior, but I won't speak about that here.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#496Earlier quoted context omitted.
Point taken, but consider the context of where we are in this thread: discussing immigrants and foreign contract workers cheating in interviews and on their resumes for positions within the United States. Perhaps your point is more applicable to how the idea of high or low trust cannot apply to workers operating in a culture foreign to their own. The example of inter tribal slavery doesn't actually apply to what I'm…
When you're getting colonized, I don't know if it really matters whether the colonizers honor their promises more or less. Consider the Maori, the gold standard for a colonized people who managed to get a full treaty with the British very early on, even securing representation in government in the mid-1800s. Are they meaningfully any better off as a result of these agreements, relative to other indigenous groups? Not…
I think you'd be surprised by just how possible it would be to enter into a successful and good faith agreement with a warring tribe which has enslaved or massacred your people. Spanish colonists in New Mexico did so with the Comanche despite the Comanche holding hundreds of captive New Mexicans who they had kidnapped. How did this work? The New Mexicans honored their treaty, and the Comanche established a degree of personal trust with their governer, Juan Bautista de Anza. This treaty was signed in the wake of massacres on both sides, and the captives were not returned. The Comanche continued to raid and kidnap in other regions of New Spain after the treaty was signed. Part of the reason you might find something like this hard to believe is because of your own cultural attitudes about war and slavery, but these are not universal attitudes.
Your example of the Maori is perfectly analogous to what happened in Canada/ But regardless of how things turned out, why did the British honor treaties when they had no incentive to do so? How do you account for this difference in a world dominated by purely rational decision making when interacting with those outside of your culture?
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#497I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this, but this is completely unsurprising to me. When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that…
To add my two bits: I don't support it.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#498Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
I'll add d)
Cheating is okay because most interview processes is BS to start with. In most cases the interview itself is a dog and pony show, often reflecting the outright incompetence of the interviewers or organizations that are hiring.
> I guess the silver lining is there will probably be incredible opportunity down the road to combat this,
You are being naive here. Many people value honesty in principle, but are not willing to enforce it in practice. For example if they catch a close, likable colleague or friend in the act of cheating, they will not fire them.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#499Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last point is an important one. There are a large number of incompetent applicants . Prior to the most recent round of tech layoffs, I would go so far as to say that the majority of applicants were incompetent. That's not to say the majority of programmers are incompetent, but because the interview filter processes tend to not select the incompetent, they accumulate in the applicant pool. Any "fix" to the interv…
> Any "fix" to the interview process has to accommodate the reality that the left half of the applicant pool distribution is of terribly low levels of ability. I would like to see some distinction between people who apply cold, and people who have been reached out to by a company. I'm an experienced, employed engineer, and if a company reaches out to me, I expect to not be treated in an interview like "gotta see if y…
I think there are three categories rather than just two. Cold application, reached out to by a recruiter, or referred by a former colleague. Seeing how internal recruiting or "sourcing" works, I don't see it as being vastly different from a cold application. Someone dredged up your profile on LinkedIn and reached out to you based on a keyword search (in all likelihood). Once you responded, they passed you off to the recruiting pipeline. There's not much more signal in you having a keyword on LinkedIn as having a keyword on your resume.
Only the third, a referral from an actual ex-colleague, would I skip any of the basic vetting steps. (Said differently, I agree "that's the (in-house) recruiter's job, or hiring manager's"; this is them doing it...)
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#500Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_scandals#List_of_bi...
check out the flags at the top of the list.