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My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by yw3410 »

hermannj314 wrote: post #104
eckesicle wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran a largish statistical analysis where I was working on all interviews and employee ratings for the following year (16000 data points). My conclusion was that: * some interview problems carried zero signal * some interviewers are really good at identifying strong candidates, and others correlate negatively! On average interviewers rating is a weak signal ( * geographic location is a medium signal (0.2) * a releva…

The choice of language being a signal is interesting. That goes against my intuition. Can you elaborate?

My intuition would expect the two to be correlated.

All anecdotal evidence I've seen points to the language mattering a great deal since only those people who are enthusiastic about niche languages, tend to put more time in learning/practicing programming and all other things being equal, spending more time on a skill correlates to being better at said skill.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by emddudley »

twistedcheeslet wrote: post #12

Your friends did whatever was needed to pass the interview. You did not. How is it surprising that they're the ones getting raises? Clearly they're willing to risk more than you are for the reward. Only getting caught cheating guarantees loss. Playing fair does not guarantee winning.

What a corrupt way to view the world.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by callahad »

hermannj314 wrote: post #104
eckesicle wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran a largish statistical analysis where I was working on all interviews and employee ratings for the following year (16000 data points). My conclusion was that: * some interview problems carried zero signal * some interviewers are really good at identifying strong candidates, and others correlate negatively! On average interviewers rating is a weak signal ( * geographic location is a medium signal (0.2) * a releva…

The choice of language being a signal is interesting. That goes against my intuition. Can you elaborate?

Could rhyme with PG's "Python Paradox" essay from 20 years ago: http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html

> It's a lot of work to learn a new programming language. And people don't learn Python because it will get them a job; they learn it because they genuinely like to program and aren't satisfied with the languages they already know.

> Which makes them exactly the kind of programmers companies should want to hire. Hence what, for lack of a better name, I'll call the Python paradox: if a company chooses to write its software in a comparatively esoteric language, they'll be able to hire better programmers, because they'll attract only those who cared enough to learn it. And for programmers the paradox is even more pronounced: the language to learn, if you want to get a good job, is a language that people don't learn merely to get a job.

I wonder correlations eckesicle found, and what languages would fit that profile today.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by junofan »

shswkna wrote: post #79
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #2

Yes, it's fundamentally unfair to those interviewees who don't cheat. And the process is broken. However, the conclusion this person reaches - we must conduct these broken interviews in person so the cheaters can't cheat - is the wrong one. Look at it from the point of view of the hiring company now, not the interviewer. They got a person who was good enough (based on the merits of their actual work, not interview pe…

It seems those that have a fundamental problem with cheating are in the minority. Reading through the comments leaves me only sad. Based on how I believe the world works, and on larger patterns at play here, this general cultural trend (if this is in fact what it is) will backfire. If this is deemed culturally acceptable, and one extrapolates this pattern further, there is little deeper value that a culture has to of…

I think the cheaters tend to end up together over time without realizing it.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

hgsgm wrote: post #92
praxulus wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is spitballing a presentation cheating? It's the equivalent of taking a test without studying, not presenting somebody else's work as your own.

It's a broken system where effort and performance isn't acknowledged and rewarded and the whole purpose of being there is undermined. At some point the whole enterprise is destructive and should be shut down.

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by wootland »

asimpletune wrote: post #115

Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…

I'd add d) when all of the gains are captured by execs and investors, if you don't do everything you can to maximize your return and minimize your input, you're being exploited.

It's strange to me that anyone would care about people cheating at job interviews and not say CEO pay that's 1,000X the average employee. More power to those who can balance things in their favor against those who have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by whitemary »

asimpletune wrote: post #115

Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by knicholes »

If one considers Kant's categorical imperative, "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law," then also considers how they'd feel if they were go to visit a doctor who had cheated or is cheating, one certainly must draw the conclusion that cheating is indeed immoral and undesirable.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by _corvo_ »

whitemary wrote: post #127
asimpletune wrote: post #115

Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…

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Even if you disagree with the parent comment, this sort of hostility is uncalled for.
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