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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by boffinAudio » Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:20 AM UTC

efields wrote: post #456

jahnu wrote: post #49

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As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.

Do you have any insight on why bigger companies like Arturia don’t bring more of their VSTs and plugins to iOS? I’m a hobbyist music maker and I vastly prefer AUM on my iPad to working in GarageBand (logic is far beyond my needs). I just want more of the desktop plugin ecosystem to trickle down.

Chicken and egg problem. Hardly worth porting plugins if there is no decent DAW ecosystem beyond a watered-down Cubase version ..

The desktop plugin ecosystem will come to iOS now that Logic Pro is on iOS. I'm seeing tons and tons of plugin developers jumping on the AUv3 bandwagon that is now on the road ..

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by boffinAudio » Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

jahnu wrote: post #326

whiddershins wrote: post #309

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Semi off topic but if I want to develop audio plugins for live performance iOS/osx what is a really good resource, in your estimation? When I look for books on Core Audio there’s approximately one on Amazon and it isn’t very recent. I don’t really want to live on another layer, like developing in Max or Juce or AudioKit or whatever is out there. I’d rather code directly against Apple’s APIs. Or I think that’s what I…

We develop on JUCE and I really would suggest anyone just getting into this should too or maybe iPlug2. Handling all the quirks of different formats and DAWs is an enormous time sink. Do you want to do that or do you want to spend time developing your idea for an effect or instrument? You don’t need to use the GUI stuff from JUCE so if you have a preferred framework use that instead. We use none of their DSP. We conc…

A second vote for JUCE - but also don't forget to add TRACKTION to your framework shopping list. It sits on top of JUCE. The basics are: JUCE for audio i/o and cross-platform plugin coding, TRACKTION on top of JUCE for DAW-like features.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by afroboy » Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:42 AM UTC

chongli wrote: post #282

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In the jetbrains you only get a perpetual license for the current version. You lose the year of updates. Also why should companies do that? They could be leaving money on the table as people can continue to gain value from the perpetual version without you getting any compensation for that value. Also you now have to deal wind a fragmented user base on different versions. And the user community has to dear with not e…

In the jetbrains you only get a perpetual license for the current version. You lose the year of updates. Yeah, that model is infuriating. While your subscription is running you get the updates. Then they snatch them away if you cancel. It's a dark pattern.

At least they give you perpetual license which is good for lot of devs, i've never seen another company do that.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by whiddershins » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:09 AM UTC

jahnu wrote: post #326

whiddershins wrote: post #309

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Semi off topic but if I want to develop audio plugins for live performance iOS/osx what is a really good resource, in your estimation? When I look for books on Core Audio there’s approximately one on Amazon and it isn’t very recent. I don’t really want to live on another layer, like developing in Max or Juce or AudioKit or whatever is out there. I’d rather code directly against Apple’s APIs. Or I think that’s what I…

We develop on JUCE and I really would suggest anyone just getting into this should too or maybe iPlug2. Handling all the quirks of different formats and DAWs is an enormous time sink. Do you want to do that or do you want to spend time developing your idea for an effect or instrument? You don’t need to use the GUI stuff from JUCE so if you have a preferred framework use that instead. We use none of their DSP. We conc…

Any opinions on getting Faust involved while we are at it then?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by comprev » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:16 AM UTC

wheels wrote: post #537

comprev wrote: post #479

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This is a multi-studio live collaboration project which had a MIDI sync over the internet. Amazing to see affordable connection speeds have risen to the point where this is possible. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FE1sY4OY1D4

Latency is the issue, not bandwidth, and the internet isn't fast enough for live instruments across it (unless the performers happen to be on the same local uplink). Even me pinging Google is 23 ms, where as most actual home users will be 50-200 ms from me.

Latency on a home fibre will be significantly lower than a 56k dial-up connection.

Somehow the artists could collaborate remotely using a shared MIDI clock. Admittedly it was techno which is both loopy and predictable, but still a cool achievement nonetheless.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by NikolaNovak » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:20 AM UTC

mattl wrote: post #224

NikolaNovak wrote: post #160

This is great, but why not just have Garage Band work the same / be the same on both platforms? I'm a PC user; few years ago I realized how great iPad GarageBand was for playing around. Like an idiot, I literally purchased a used MacBook so I can edit my iPad travelling doodles at home with big screen as well, only to realize that they are different software with different capabilities and you cannot seamlessly copy…

Is iPad GarageBand different from iPhone GarageBand? Or are they the same app?

I believe iphone and iPad to be the same and Macbook to be different.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by yayr » Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:49 AM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #183

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I guess I should expand why not a laptop, but it boils down to removing lots of little friction points that make ephemeral ideas harder to put down. 1. Touch first is important because your instruments are touch as well. Being able to record my live instruments and not have to switch to a trackpad to move between UI elements seems small, but it really keeps me in the zone. 2. Same point above, but basically being abl…

I think there is a lot going for the music ecosystem on ipad - lots of affordable apps, cheap effects compared to desktop etc. At the same time I don't think the device itself is built with the connectivity for the kind of music making I think about. If all your synths and effects live on the iPad and you don't care about after touch maybe, but if you want to hook external gear up the iPad just isn't made for it. no…

I think I have seen that some users connect AVB capable devices (e.g. from Presonus or Motu) to the USB port of iPads and got full connectivity to the other studio setup via AVB networking. Some AVB devices are quite affordably nowadays. That would also allow for great audio routing setups in a gig I assume

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by op00to » Wed, May 10, 2023, 12:18 PM UTC

DamnInteresting wrote: post #184

bookaway wrote: post #124

Am I the only one that finds the process of getting files of a decent size from non-Apple devices to Apple mobile devices incredibly frustrating, almost enough to be a deal breaker? What is the current best practice for the fastest way to get video files on an IPad as of now?

It's not just non-Apple devices. I use my iPad to make music and sketches, and sometimes I need to move files between my iPad and MacBook. Airdrop almost never works, and transferring in the Files app is confusing--sometimes the file won't appear in the relevant app, or sometimes it appears twice, and it's not clear which is the newer version. I often resort to emailing the files back and forth to myself as attachmen…

I use the files app to move stuff to either a cloud storage (google drive, whatever) or a Samba share. Or, because I'm fancy, a Samba share pointed at a mounted cloud storage directory. :) That seems to work ok.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LegitShady » Wed, May 10, 2023, 12:26 PM UTC

earthnail wrote: post #539

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Reaper already competes at that price, just not on iOS.

Yeah, but Reaper is nowhere as comprehensive as other DAWs in the field. I just haven’t seen much new lately. Of course, nobody needs 10 more compressor plugins, but I also haven’t really seen any innovation in Logic either. I’d like to see more competition. And I think it’s tricky at this price.

> Yeah, but Reaper is nowhere as comprehensive as other DAWs in the field.

What do you mean by comprehensive? Included plugins/VSTs?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by wheels » Wed, May 10, 2023, 12:37 PM UTC

comprev wrote: post #555

wheels wrote: post #537

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Latency is the issue, not bandwidth, and the internet isn't fast enough for live instruments across it (unless the performers happen to be on the same local uplink). Even me pinging Google is 23 ms, where as most actual home users will be 50-200 ms from me.

Latency on a home fibre will be significantly lower than a 56k dial-up connection. Somehow the artists could collaborate remotely using a shared MIDI clock. Admittedly it was techno which is both loopy and predictable, but still a cool achievement nonetheless.

I have home fiber. Again, I have 20 ms to Google. 40 ms (approximately what you'd expect from two not-physically-far-apart home fiber links) is already in the range that playing traditional instruments in sync is basically impossible. At a more typical 100 ms between nodes, that's a full 16th note of lag at common tempos. You can get up to 200+ ms between continents.

I know people that have also done it with techno, but they consider the lag as part of their unique sound. It's not something you can do with music in a general purpose sense.