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> The EU tried the soft approach for many years, and Apple stubbornly refused to play. "We tried giving you an option, but you kept picking wrong, so we're taking your right to choose away."

Yes, a completely reasonable choice when they made the goal clear (reducing waste) and literally everyone else managed to work together and Apple was the only one who decided to play stupid games. We may tolerate the fiction of corporate personhood in some circumstances, but companies are not people, and their "rights" should be strictly limited - especially when they purposefully ignore the wishes of elected represe…

Apple has had 2 style plugs in 20 years. They are there only ones who have done that. You’re someone just brainwashed over this when I am confident of you just paused for a second and thought about what utter foolishness you supported, you would realize that very thing. If any of the tech companies has “reduced waste”, an oxymoron in its own right, then it’s Apple. I use cables for latest iPhones that were made for phones that are now 10 years old, and I also use the same cables and chargers for iPads I use for iPhones. I implore you to just stop, center yourself and think your own thoughts about all of this. It’s rather bizarre when people are so mixed up in the head of over things because they repeat propaganda rather than thinking their own thoughts and following deductive logic to its final conclusion.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Apple refused to implement mirco-USB when the EU issued guidelines to use USB because of electronic waste. Apple refused to even talk to the EU about it. So with Apple refusing to engage with the elected representatives of the EU then the EU got to the point of having to force Apple to engage; legislation. TLDR: The EU wanted less e-waste. Apple refused to engage, so the EU forced them to engage or leave.

The problem is that the EU is illegitimate and a circus clown shoe of pencil necked bureaucratic authoritarians.

I’m not even a fan of Apple look e for different reasons, but the very same reason Apple is likely not even engaging the EU clowns and their attempt at making Apple products worse with Micro USB (what a horrible design and technology because of it), it’s also the very same reason that the EU cannot ban Apple, because Apple is to god and the market leader in design and creating good products that people actually want.

I can assure you that Apple’s lightning connector has caused there to be less waste than any other manufacturer.

Case in point too; I just bought a temporary Nokia phone. And here it is, 2023, and they’re still using that horrible MicroUSB design plug that you have to look at every single time to make sure you get the plug in correctly. OUSD also discriminatory against the blind who have to feel they plug itself to figure out which way is up, whereas I can plug the lightning connector into any of the Apple devices in pitch black darkness because they go in the same every time.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Why?

Because we're talking about which one is more durable.

No? The parent was clearly referring to the connector specifically not the overall durability of devices.

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> But the idea that a trans-national government over 750M people should be trying to regulate in this level of detail is just obviously a recipe for disaster Why? Standards harmonization has big upsides too. For example, the EU PPE safety standards are so good that there aren't even North American equivalents for many products. If you buy a climbing carabiner in the US, it's being tested according to a test procedure…

If the standards are so good, they shouldn’t need to force companies to use them.

Apple is a perfect example of this failing.

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Because we're talking about which one is more durable.

No? The parent was clearly referring to the connector specifically not the overall durability of devices.

Oh, that's the confusion.

I mean the overall failure rate of the port.

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No? The parent was clearly referring to the connector specifically not the overall durability of devices.

Oh, that's the confusion. I mean the overall failure rate of the port .

In that case there's even less of an argument for USB-C ports since it's real world failure rate is much higher . Partly due to the increased complexity, partly due to the physical design, partly due to less stringent quality control, etc...

If you assess failure rate based off whether it can reliably meet advertised claims year-after-year, such that a large degradation would count as failure, then I would dare say real world failure rate are dozens or hundreds of times higher than Lightning ports.

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Oh, that's the confusion. I mean the overall failure rate of the port .

In that case there's even less of an argument for USB-C ports since it's real world failure rate is much higher . Partly due to the increased complexity, partly due to the physical design, partly due to less stringent quality control, etc... If you assess failure rate based off whether it can reliably meet advertised claims year-after-year, such that a large degradation would count as failure, then I would dare say r…

Do you have a source for those numbers?

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Terrifying to give government this much control over tech. If Apple wants to build a premium experience that is better than USB-C then what? They can’t? We essentially gave W3C control over web accessibly and they can’t even release a new set of WCAG standards. Stalled and seems to be dead in committee. Keep in mind the EU doesn’t even have a standard power outlet. This is just the EU being petty and bullying an Amer…

You build what you want but when billions of people use a technology our governments should most definitely get involved. With scale comes responsibility.

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No. The cable charges 1 device but not the other. That is because the whole USB-C spec is trash. Why do you so desperately try to defend rubbish hardware like USB-C?

It's not the spec's fault. I'm not defending the defective hardware. The cable, or one of the devices involved, isn't following the spec .

100% is the specs fault. It tries to solve all of life’s problems. But only creates more. There should be 1 spec for a cable. Period. It should be universal.

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In that case there's even less of an argument for USB-C ports since it's real world failure rate is much higher . Partly due to the increased complexity, partly due to the physical design, partly due to less stringent quality control, etc... If you assess failure rate based off whether it can reliably meet advertised claims year-after-year, such that a large degradation would count as failure, then I would dare say r…

Do you have a source for those numbers?

'dare say' usually means that the source is the writer.
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