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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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The fact that (baring exploitable bugs) you can only run Apple approved software on an iOS device pretty much makes it "THEIR machine" anyway.

You can get a free Apple developer account and run any software you build on your own devices.

imagine if you needed a free ford account to be able to run any backseat you want in your new car

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

> It's absolutely abusing market position, It’s definitely a “dick move” but, I’d have trouble calling it abusive. Having to buy expensive development kits is common in our industry

They only way to reach a significant market share is to put up with it, wouldn't that count as abusing their position? They don't have to care, because they know that developers have no choice, and in the process they increase their hardware sales? Imagine if google wanted to produce end-user hardware. Then they limit their SDK/NDK to only work on that new hardware. And, this isn't any magic or special hardware. Just an added EULA that restricts legal use, and lack of developer support. This is pretty much apple has done. Of course, doing something like that on an already established market would be suicide. But, developers would have also to a much larger extent chosen not to target Apple hardware, if it wasn't for the market share. That's why it is abusive and a case of anti-trust. They get away with it because of their market share.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

> It's absolutely abusing market position, It’s definitely a “dick move” but, I’d have trouble calling it abusive. Having to buy expensive development kits is common in our industry

The fact that the practice is widespread doesn't mean that it's not abusive. It just means that most players are also abusive.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

Technically it's possible, but possibly not legal: https://github.com/tpoechtrager/osxcross > Please ensure you have read and understood the Xcode license terms before continuing. According to the EULA you may only use the SDK on Apple-branded computers. But you can use Linux to cross compile to Apple. Do the Visual Studio build tools have more permissive license terms? AFAIK you can have clang-cl on Linux, but you d…

At least in the EU, there's precedent for click-through EULAs like the XCode one being unenforcable.

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Azure does run on Windows. It's HyperV server below the rest of the hardware. It's a custom Windows install that you can't purchase, but it's Windows none the less.

That's interesting. Do you have a public source for this handy? I remember seeing an article [1] proclaiming that more than 50% of Azure's workloads are on Linux, so I'm guessing their hypervisors are running an optimised Linux kernel somewhat. 1: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23156222

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Azure does run on Windows. It's HyperV server below the rest of the hardware. It's a custom Windows install that you can't purchase, but it's Windows none the less.

That's interesting. Do you have a public source for this handy? I remember seeing an article [1] proclaiming that more than 50% of Azure's workloads are on Linux, so I'm guessing their hypervisors are running an optimised Linux kernel somewhat. 1: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23156222

You can see it mentionned on this page: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/security/fundamental...

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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It's funny how the 30% tax and App Store nonsense automatically makes me want Apple to lose every single court case in perpetuity. Having such a monopoly on a device you purchase really means the legal system needs to take you down a notch.

> the 30% tax 15%. Almost everybody pays 15%, not 30%. The only organisations who pay 30% earn over a million dollars a year from things other than long-term subscriptions. That’s a tiny minority.

Interesting, I seem to have missed this change from 2021. That's far more reasonable.

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You don’t have full control of your data. Google isn’t some Mecca of freedom, it’s an advertising company.

Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed. Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?

I guess since your only two options are, for some reason, "Google" and "UnknownCalMailCompany Inc," Google seems to be the choice for you.

Fortunately, many of the rest of us live in the real world where there are more than just those two options.

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It's a very fast moving target. Apple keeps rewriting and deprecating stuff faster than they can write the documentation. As a newcomer to native macOS development, I'm sometimes struggling to even find working examples.

I am convinced this is by design. Apple has leaned heavily into service based revenue. This means recurring revenue. So in their App Store, they heavily incentivise subscriptions over one-time purchases. One of their tools is frequent and rapid API deprecation. This breaks older apps which aren't maintained. Developers must therefore spend much more effort on maintaining software on iOS and macOS (I can still run sof…

Which IMHO has made the AppStore a cesspool of awfulness.

Buying a one time app for a few quid used to be a normal and a good deal all round (I say this as a customer and iOS developer)

But now EVERYTHING is a monthly subscription. Even for apps that really shouldn’t need any updates - but like you say, they do need constant updates just to remain functions.

It’s created a broken AppStore and I just never pay for anything anymore.

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That and their price is why I will never have an apple product too

They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple. It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.

I was more thinking to the iphone (I don't have laptop). You can't find a cheap new iphone, and even the cheapest iphone is more than I would put in a phone myself.

It's true that now high end android phones are as expensive than high end iphones, so on this point of view it's not a criteria

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