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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by okamiueru »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #217
okamiueru wrote: post #214

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I cannot express how frustrating and unprofessional Apple comes across, that you have to sit and watch YouTube videos, to try and find some documentation for iOS development. > WWDC videos can be immensely useful to get inside information about how things actually work Imagine if we could have proper text based documentation on how things actually work? I don't know why this isn't the case. I'm sure they can afford i…

Jobs made it clear in the 1997 WWDC speech[1] that Apple's priority is never the developers, but solely the customer experience and the final product, and if programing languages, frameworks or developers will be casualties along the way, then so be it. His words, not mine. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqPrUmVz-o

I'm not sure those two are incongruent. Surely, the customer experience and final product includes software written for the platform? And, if developers make apple development an afterthought, or more poorly tested because CI/CD is tedious and cumbersome... how does Apple benefit? Of course, this is a comment on the what seems to be lack of insight on the comment made by Jobs, and not your comment. Thanks for sharing that. It does give some insight into the state where developers seem to be treated as second class citizens, even though they rely on their work.

In any case, Apple sure has convinced the masses, and can rarely do no wrong. So, I suppose I'll just keep yelling at the clouds.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by mort96 »

amelius wrote: post #189
okamiueru wrote: post #179

What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

Yes, and I wonder why do we have Wine to run Windows stuff on Linux, but we have no equivalent to run OSX programs on Linux ... Is nobody interested in implementing the OSX APIs on Linux?

Is there really that much software out there which runs on macOS but neither Windows nor Linux and has no good alternatives for either Windows or Linux?

There's a truly absurd amount of software out there which runs on Windows but not Linux, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that way more effort is invested into running Windows software than running macOS software.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by ricardobayes »

scrollaway wrote: post #198
lostlogin wrote: post #162

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You don’t have full control of your data. Google isn’t some Mecca of freedom, it’s an advertising company.

Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed. Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?

What's wrong with a flip calendar or a moleskin diary? Color me old-school but why does every single thing, especially your most private things need to be online?

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by Gareth321 »

hef19898 wrote: post #200
rstat1 wrote: post #175

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The fact that (baring exploitable bugs) you can only run Apple approved software on an iOS device pretty much makes it "THEIR machine" anyway.

Didn't the EU have something to say about that lately?

You might be thinking about the DMA, which adds a lot of responsibilities to "gateway" providers and platforms like Apple and iOS.

However the EU ruled many years ago on this subject (https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/apple-iphone-jail...). In effect, jailbreaking and modifying software is perfectly legal, as long as it's not for copyright infringement.

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Post by _piif »

_kbh_ wrote: post #187
smoldesu wrote: post #146

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They can make them at-cost and then charge whatever they want on their store. They just also have to allow me to choose different stores, or install another OS on my console if the OEM goes against my wishes. If you don't think I deserve that right as the lawful proprietor of said hardware, then we may be at an impasse. It seems like perfectly fair game to me.

> They just also have to allow me to choose different stores, or install another OS on my console if the OEM goes against my wishes Whose job would it be to maintain all of the compatibility layers for the custom hardware that consoles generally contain?. Who pays for all the work to allow you to do whatever you want on your device?.

> Whose job would it be to maintain all of the compatibility layers for the custom hardware that consoles generally contain?.

The community's? I don't think anyone expects the vendor to officially support anything other than the OS it ships with. We just want the option to use our own software on the hardware we purchased.

> Who pays for all the work to allow you to do whatever you want on your device?.

Surely it's more work to go the extra mile to restrict access?

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Post by eptcyka »

pasc1878 wrote: post #226
eptcyka wrote: post #185

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Apple is anti-VM - there is a soft limit on how many VMs one can run on their M1/M2 Macs. The number is 2.

That is the number of macOS VMs. Linux windows etc is not limited

If I cared about Linux VMs, I wouldn't be running macOS as my host.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by scrollaway »

ricardobayes wrote: post #233
scrollaway wrote: post #198

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Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed. Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?

What's wrong with a flip calendar or a moleskin diary? Color me old-school but why does every single thing, especially your most private things need to be online?

Why do you care how I organise my life?

I value being able to ctrl+f my thousands of meetings across several years.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by _piif »

pb7 wrote: post #78
waboremo wrote: post #72

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Apple has made billions (upwards of $300m in pure profit) from Fortnite. If you care about Epic's shitty qualities in that aspect (the case you're linking), surely you also care about Apple profiting off that exploitation as well?

Have you read the details of the judgment? Most of the dark patterns Epic used aren't possible on iOS. In fact, the reason they hate Apple's walled garden so much is because they add too much friction to the dark patterns they want to use, notably authentication for subsequent in-app purchases, so I don't know what exploitation profiting you're referring to. Apple protects consumers from shitty companies like Epic ab…

> Apple protects consumers from shitty companies like Epic abusing consumers (in this case, children) and for that I thank them.

Last time I checked the App Store was filled to the brink with worthless pay to win and gambling (sorry I meant surprise mechanics) garbage. Doesn't seem very protective of the children to me. And an opt-in authentification system for microtransactions doesn't make it okay either.

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Post by brightball »

Gigachad wrote: post #127
brightball wrote: post #66

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Best guess? They don’t charge for their OS because it is attached to their hardware.

Doesn't seem to make all that much sense though. The value of their OS is how perfect it works with their hardware. Sure some people want to run MacOS on a standard desktop, but that doesn't seem to be a significant group of people.

Would it be more if it was easier though?
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