Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by deecewan » Wed, May 10, 2023, 1:54 AM UTC

throwaway2990 wrote: post #67

13of40 wrote: post #57

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Considering a couple years ago, "Apple Hardware" was an intel CPU with an nvidia GPU I've always wondered why you couldn't just throw a million dollars at them so they could stick apple stickers on your rack and let you run MacOS VMs. The company I used to work for had to do crazy gymnastics just to test software and scan for malware on their OS.

Nvidia? Which apple product had Nvidia in it?

there was a point in time when you could run nvidia gpus in mac pros. there were first-party drivers for nvidia cards on macOS

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by waboremo » Wed, May 10, 2023, 1:54 AM UTC

pb7 wrote: post #37

stavros wrote: post #25

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What if consoles make money from games without turning games into rent-to-play with no resale value? Platforms are hostile to the consumer and can't die quickly enough for me, that's why I wanted Epic to win.

You are complaining about companies mistreating consumers and you wanted Epic to win? They're as shitty as they come. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/12/245-milli... Apple has provided the world 1000x more value than Epic ever will. Justice prevailed.

Apple has made billions (upwards of $300m in pure profit) from Fortnite. If you care about Epic's shitty qualities in that aspect (the case you're linking), surely you also care about Apple profiting off that exploitation as well?

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by garbagecoder » Wed, May 10, 2023, 1:57 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #51

Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.

Probably from almost going out of business because they didn't control their own platform.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by windowsrookie » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:04 AM UTC

cpuguy83 wrote: post #68

throwaway2990 wrote: post #67

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Nvidia? Which apple product had Nvidia in it?

MacBook pros did for awhile until they leaked some detail about an upcoming product and Apple switched vendors.

I'm not sure where you heard this from?

Back in 2007-2009 Nividia shipped defective GPUs to everyone, including Apple.

Every MacBook Pro from that era was affected. Nvidia and Apple couldn't come to an agreement to who should pay for the bad GPUs. It cost Apple a lot of money and Nvidia din't seem to care.

After that, Apple slowly started removing Nvidia GPUs from their products. AMD also shipped bad GPU's around ~2011 and Apple went back to Nvidia for a generation or two until AMD sorted their issues out. From Then on it was AMD GPUs only until the M1.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:04 AM UTC

garbagecoder wrote: post #73

crazygringo wrote: post #51

Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.

Probably from almost going out of business because they didn't control their own platform.

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by Dylan16807 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:05 AM UTC

pb7 wrote: post #37

stavros wrote: post #25

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What if consoles make money from games without turning games into rent-to-play with no resale value? Platforms are hostile to the consumer and can't die quickly enough for me, that's why I wanted Epic to win.

You are complaining about companies mistreating consumers and you wanted Epic to win? They're as shitty as they come. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/12/245-milli... Apple has provided the world 1000x more value than Epic ever will. Justice prevailed.

You're not supposed to cheer on companies by picking favorites like with sports team.

Epic is on the right side of that particular issue.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by cwp » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:07 AM UTC

hackernewds wrote: post #55

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #18

It's funny how the 30% tax and App Store nonsense automatically makes me want Apple to lose every single court case in perpetuity. Having such a monopoly on a device you purchase really means the legal system needs to take you down a notch.

The saddest event this generation is Epic vs Apple going in favor of Apple. It's tough to imagine Apple weren't a monolopy enforcing monopolistic policies.

I wanted Epic to win too, but c'mon, 57% market share is not a monopoly.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by pb7 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:08 AM UTC

waboremo wrote: post #72

pb7 wrote: post #37

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You are complaining about companies mistreating consumers and you wanted Epic to win? They're as shitty as they come. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/12/245-milli... Apple has provided the world 1000x more value than Epic ever will. Justice prevailed.

Apple has made billions (upwards of $300m in pure profit) from Fortnite. If you care about Epic's shitty qualities in that aspect (the case you're linking), surely you also care about Apple profiting off that exploitation as well?

Have you read the details of the judgment? Most of the dark patterns Epic used aren't possible on iOS. In fact, the reason they hate Apple's walled garden so much is because they add too much friction to the dark patterns they want to use, notably authentication for subsequent in-app purchases, so I don't know what exploitation profiting you're referring to. Apple protects consumers from shitty companies like Epic abusing consumers (in this case, children) and for that I thank them.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by wildzzz » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:09 AM UTC

Osiris wrote: post #65

jerry80 wrote: post #49

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Actually, speeding is criminal in many states.

Are traffic infractions criminal? Violating some traffic laws can be a misdemeanor or felony while most are infractions. I don’t know if infraction is considered “criminal”.

If all you get from the cop is a summons, it's not a crime but more akin to a civil infraction.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by pb7 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:15 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #76

pb7 wrote: post #37

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You are complaining about companies mistreating consumers and you wanted Epic to win? They're as shitty as they come. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/12/245-milli... Apple has provided the world 1000x more value than Epic ever will. Justice prevailed.

You're not supposed to cheer on companies by picking favorites like with sports team. Epic is on the right side of that particular issue.

No, they're not, and I just showed you why. Epic is a scummy company that employs dark patterns to extract as much money as possible from easily manipulated consumers and Apple kneecaps those strategies on iOS by having control. If Epic got their way, this is what you would have to deal with on iOS too.