Geat news! What about iOS-hosted virtual machines? I managed to install DosBox on one device in our family just before they blocked it but I want it, also a Linux VM and a real Firefox everywhere.
There’s UTM, you’ll have to side load it though
Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines
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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines
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You're not supposed to cheer on companies by picking favorites like with sports team. Epic is on the right side of that particular issue.
No, they're not, and I just showed you why. Epic is a scummy company that employs dark patterns to extract as much money as possible from easily manipulated consumers and Apple kneecaps those strategies on iOS by having control. If Epic got their way, this is what you would have to deal with on iOS too.
Again, it doesn't matter if Epic is scummy. In the issue they were litigating for, I want them to win, because I want app stores to not be a monopoly on platforms. That's it. I don't care what else Epic does, I'm not going to say "oh if an evil person agrees with me, that means I must change my opinion".
Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines
#193Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.
They want to sell hardware. I'm reminded of this every day when I can't use Apple Reminders and Calendar properly on non-Apple devices. I have an Apple phone but use a non-Apple computer. You used to be able to have a web interface to Reminders, but they changed it and now you can't add tasks in the web interface. No worries then, let's use Caldav. Hmmm, can't add a Caldav server to iCloud anymore. Ahh, we can add a…
> You used to be able to have a web interface to Reminders, but they changed it and now you can't add tasks in the web interface.
I just used iCloud.com. Seems to work fine for adding reminders. Are you talking about an API, or the iCloud web UI?
Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines
#194Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.
The walled garden is absolutely essential to Apple's business idea. If you want to use an Apple product, then they want you to commit to their ecosystem completely. It makes perfect sense that they'd be against anything that circumvents their walled garden, and a VM does just that by allowing users/developers to use their OS without buying their hardware. I personally hate it, and it's why I'll never touch any Apple…
That and their price is why I will never have an apple product too
Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines
#195Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.
> Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance?
Apple is primarily a hardware company. If people are using VMs then they're not buying hardware.
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Sounds like you’ve just chosen to lock yourself into a different vendor, only one that integrates less elegantly with your device.
There is no vendor lockin with Google when it comes to hardware, the services even work in a browser
> There is no vendor lockin with Google when it comes to hardware
That’s not intentional though, it’s just that their hardware hasn’t been that successful.
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#197What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…
Technically it's possible, but possibly not legal:
https://github.com/tpoechtrager/osxcross
> Please ensure you have read and understood the Xcode license terms before continuing.
According to the EULA you may only use the SDK on Apple-branded computers. But you can use Linux to cross compile to Apple.
Do the Visual Studio build tools have more permissive license terms? AFAIK you can have clang-cl on Linux, but you do need a lot of the SDK for it to be useful. No experience there.
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Why would it be an additional poison? It's solving problems in my life. I have a calendar, it's synced across all my devices, I have no fear of lock-in, and I have full control over my data without fearing about my account getting locked (as I pay for Workspace). Same for email, same for contacts. What's the poison there?
You don’t have full control of your data. Google isn’t some Mecca of freedom, it’s an advertising company.
Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed.
Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?
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There is no vendor lockin with Google when it comes to hardware, the services even work in a browser
> There is no vendor lockin with Google when it comes to hardware That’s not intentional though, it’s just that their hardware hasn’t been that successful.
I don't think you understand the definition of lock-in.
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This reminds me of when Apple tried to make it so that you can't own an iPhone, only lease it. The effort might be still ongoing, I'm not up to date. A few different turns in history and your sentence would have been "THEIR machine" and "THEIR software".
The fact that (baring exploitable bugs) you can only run Apple approved software on an iOS device pretty much makes it "THEIR machine" anyway.
Didn't the EU have something to say about that lately?