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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by musictubes »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #379
clint wrote: post #167

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I've been writing and recording music for 25 years. I wouldn't do it on an iPad if the app paid me. If there was ever a job that requires a mouse and multiple screens even more than coding and design, it's audio engineering. Try editing a piano roll with thousands of MIDI notes, adjusting thousands of automation points and fine tuning EQ settings on a touchscreen. The experience is terrible, and no software can fix t…

I’m sure Apple would agree that particular workflow wouldn’t be good on an iPad. That’s why they emphasize the round trip capabilities with Logic on the Mac.

And really, the vast, vast majority of people doing recording, even “serious” recording aren’t doing what you described. There will be plenty of workflows that will be possible on the iPad that aren’t on a Mac. There are many different kinds and stages of audio production. Logic on the iPad is going to be great for some people.

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Post by mirkules »

alden5 wrote: post #433
mirkules wrote: post #418

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But you are not paying $5/month. That’s a gimmick. You are pre-paying a full year’s worth. It’s like paying (almost) full price but for only a year’s worth of use. For Adobe, at least, the actual monthly rate is way higher.

nope, there's a $4.99/month option and a 49.99/year option

Fair enough. I was looking at Photoshop which is claimed at $20.99 a month, but if you actually rent it monthly it's $31.99 a month.

Oh, and I wonder how long the $5/month pricing will be in effect - when they'll raise the prices.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by barbariangrunge »

carlosjobim wrote: post #72
oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

People are broke and too undisciplined to save up even a little money, so normal software prices look huge in their eyes. That's why subscriptions and splitting a purchase is coming to everything now. It won't take long before the cashier in your local supermarket will ask you if you want to pay everything at once or divide after ringing up your stuff.

Walmart already does that. And the Apple Store offers 0% APR right now. Possibly Best Buy too? I can't remember

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by iknowstuff »

toyg wrote: post #357
Toutouxc wrote: post #350

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Developers have been begging for years to be able to code for iPad on iPad, wouldn’t allowing this be an easy first step towards the iPad only dystopia? Do you have an explanation for why it’s still almost impossible?

Apple will allow that when they have the means and inclination to lock you into coding only what they want you to code, and nothing more. At the moment this is not possible - developing an iOS app requires knowing about files and filesystems and utilities etc etc, which means you cannot stay in your little sandbox. Once they figure out how to build tools that do away with all of that and still work, then you'll be ab…

That's exactly what they did when they allowed users to "Submit your completed apps to the App Store with App Store Connect" from Swift Playgrounds on iPads: https://apps.apple.com/app/id908519492

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by [deleted] »

basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LocalH »

Toutouxc wrote: post #350
toyg wrote: post #202

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The iPad is not an entry point to the ecosystem; the difference with Macs in terms of modality of use is too stark. The Macs are simply meant to eventually go away. From the perspective of Apple, they are a legacy coccyx. For them the iPad, where nothing is replaceable and Apple is in full control of content distribution, is the superior form of computing.

Developers have been begging for years to be able to code for iPad on iPad, wouldn’t allowing this be an easy first step towards the iPad only dystopia? Do you have an explanation for why it’s still almost impossible?

Apple makes money off requiring you to buy a Mac to code for iPad (jailbreaks notwithstanding). Why would they willingly give up that revenue stream?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by wheels »

comprev wrote: post #479
Slow_Hand wrote: post #343

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While Logic doesn't feature this yet, the closest analog I know of is the Ableton Link protocol which allows users on a network to synchronize their master clock with other users across any app that supports it (Ableton, Pro Tools, Korg sequencers, etc). While simple and meant more of a collaborative feature, this is a tremendously helpful feature that allows people to jump right in to a music-making session and ensu…

This is a multi-studio live collaboration project which had a MIDI sync over the internet. Amazing to see affordable connection speeds have risen to the point where this is possible. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FE1sY4OY1D4

Latency is the issue, not bandwidth, and the internet isn't fast enough for live instruments across it (unless the performers happen to be on the same local uplink). Even me pinging Google is 23 ms, where as most actual home users will be 50-200 ms from me.

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Post by wheels »

softfalcon wrote: post #359
Slow_Hand wrote: post #343

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While Logic doesn't feature this yet, the closest analog I know of is the Ableton Link protocol which allows users on a network to synchronize their master clock with other users across any app that supports it (Ableton, Pro Tools, Korg sequencers, etc). While simple and meant more of a collaborative feature, this is a tremendously helpful feature that allows people to jump right in to a music-making session and ensu…

How does this handle latency of data transfer? I have worked with professional musicians and the delay of even 10ms across the stage annoys them. I am trying to envision how syncing DAW's through the network could possibly avoid what easily amounts to more than 20ms of delay back and forth between devices. Is this just not an issue for digital music production? It's a massive issue for live music and in-ear-monitors…

Yes, latencies of 10 ms are noticeable for musicians. I feel like I can feel everything over 5-ish.

A fun fact is that that's why a symphony needs a conductor: one corner of the symphony to the other is 17-ish meters, which is 50 ms of latency. They have to lock in to a visual queue because at those distances, you can't synchronize on sound. It's also interesting to note that a symphony very literally sounds different on one side than the other, and not just in relative prominence: at march tempo (120 BPM), if you're sitting on one side of the symphony, some instruments may be a 32nd note ahead of the ones on the other side by the time they reach your ears.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by earthnail »

LegitShady wrote: post #483
earthnail wrote: post #346

Holy f**… how on earth will any other DAW vendor compete with that price? Logic already was crazy cheap, but now the price really just seems to be to boost iPad sales. It’s amazing what you get for $5/month here. But I’m a bit worried about innovation if everyone gets used to these prices.

Reaper already competes at that price, just not on iOS.

Yeah, but Reaper is nowhere as comprehensive as other DAWs in the field.

I just haven’t seen much new lately. Of course, nobody needs 10 more compressor plugins, but I also haven’t really seen any innovation in Logic either.

I’d like to see more competition. And I think it’s tricky at this price.

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Post by rocketbop »

goblin89 wrote: post #431
IAmGraydon wrote: post #379

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I've been writing and recording music for 25 years. I wouldn't do it on an iPad if the app paid me. If there was ever a job that requires a mouse and multiple screens even more than coding and design, it's audio engineering. Try editing a piano roll with thousands of MIDI notes, adjusting thousands of automation points and fine tuning EQ settings on a touchscreen. The experience is terrible, and no software can fix t…

As a long time electronic music producer, I make sure once installed my primary software is never updated as a rule[0]. My flow doesn’t make bouncing everything to audio feasible and there is nothing worse than opening a project you have worked on for a few months to find that it sounds… different. Counter-intuitively, learning to predict and deal with crashes and working around known bugs on the fly is way easier th…

That's an excellent point. Automatic app updates can be turned off on iOS, but there isn't a an easy way to allow them but with exceptions.
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