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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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> I think Othernet is really cool. Yup! I'm looking forward to them having equipment available again (so I don't need to homebrew). > Don't even need a big dish. With a decent LNB, you don't need a dish at -all-.

It's available now.

!! So it is! You have my order.

Just FYI, somehow I'd been ending up on this page: https://othernet.is/products/dreamcatcher-circuit-board

And believing it when it said it was not available yet.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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> with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) Better testing to compliance standards has pushed LOs down way lower than they were in the 40s-60s. We have relatively cheap high quality spectrum analyzers and big integrated measurements. So-- kinda everyone pushes things down pretty low now. > My point was merely that with an average radio, which…

Satellite TV receivers are generally frowned upon in authoritarian societies, I believe.

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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> with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) Better testing to compliance standards has pushed LOs down way lower than they were in the 40s-60s. We have relatively cheap high quality spectrum analyzers and big integrated measurements. So-- kinda everyone pushes things down pretty low now. > My point was merely that with an average radio, which…

In countries this would be a problem in right now, satellite TV is often banned too.

Satellite TV is exceptionally common in Pakistan, I believe.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I'll give the country 10 years to implode I am willing to take a bet for any $$ value with 10x odds in your favor to contest that claim. more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent Hot take. If you genuinely cared about these things, you'd end up a supporter of the Modi Govt. I do not mind views that are diametrically opposite to me. But, every article in western media seems to be written by someone who…

As a casual exercise, I would suggest you look for a graph of lynchings, riots, and raids in India especially of minorities and "others" for varying levels of trivial reasons by groups associated with the ruling party with patronage and overt support from it. Every festival season is open season for riots in many places. Execution style public hit jobs bypassing "due process" on rivals, criminals, and others are beco…

There were a total of 117 lynchings in India in 2019, compared to 41 for the US in the same time period. This is the same number of lynchings on a per capita basis - while 117 lynchings is a 117 too many, the number is effectively negligible in a country of 1.2 billion people.

Execution style hit jobs on rivals? When did these happen? Are you simply making up executions in your mind?

Claiming India will collapse in 10 years is one of the weirdest statements I've heard in a long time. Which countries will not collapse according to your standards then? I'm honestly asking - no major country seems to be surviving the next 10 years as per your worldview.

I'm open to debate, but you seem to be inventing executions in thin air.

Sources: https://ncrb.gov.in/en/crime-in-india-2019 https://indianexpress.com/article/india/117-lynching-inciden... "ADL Report: At Least 50 White Supremacist Murders in 2018" by the Anti-Defamation League: https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-at-least-... "What We Know: The Far-Right and Extremism in 2019" by the Anti-Defamation League: https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/what-we-know-the-far-r...

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

>"I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible."

Sure thing. All you have to do is to come out in big numbers, beat your fucking rulers into submission and replace them with do good types. Easy peasy. If not they'll get you no matter what tech you use.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

> The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. This is hyperbole. A dictator might have the tools to shut off a couple of dissident. But if you have a large portion of the population running these dishes, it's game over. > Most people are bootlickers. Most people want the type of power structure that ends up with the internet blocked. They don't want freedom - th…

  if you have a large portion of the population running these dishes, it's game over.
Sadly this is wishful and overly optimistic thinking. The Tiananmen Square protesters thought similarly. Dictators will massacre their own people

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Well, I thought I made that pretty clear in what I posted. "Maybe the internet as a whole is intractable. But perhaps we can get a meaningful digest of snapshots of the important stuff that can work over slow links, intermittent links, and one-way links ?"

Since the whole point of the internet is, you know, people can request what they want and communicate with others, and they already HAVE people shoving ‘important stuff’ their way, what exactly do you think that adds to the picture?

> what exactly do you think that adds to the picture?

- Othernet is already a system out of local control that can be received with relatively trivial equipment.

- 2000bps feels perhaps a bit too slow, but with an order of magnitude more bandwidth, you could have a -lot- of textual communication. It could carry a big cross-section of what everyone is saying and allow people to choose what they see.

- An ideal system would support multiple transports; Othernet, intermittent wifi connectivity, sneakernet, etc. It would do the best with what it can to get data in or out, and allocate the scarce resources to the traffic which is most likely to be useful to others (this is tricky, with sybil attacks, etc... but I don't think it's necessarily intractable).

That is-- I love the interactive internet, but wouldn't it be cool if it gracefully degraded to still provide "postcards" and "broadcast radio" and a bit more as capacity went down, intermittency went up, and inability to return traffic was sometimes a factor?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Yes. But not the way you might think. Let me be clear. I am not a Bhakt, don't particularly love Modi and have complained quite often about bad policies during his regime. My goal is to help people build a representative view of India, not one that fawns over Modi. The BJP absolutely pushes for Hindutva, but 'Hindutva' is an umbrella term that can mean anything from 'places greater importance on cultural traditions t…

>If inclusivity is complete blindness towards religion in front of the law, then you get France style secularism which BJP pushes. If I could give you points for humor, I would.

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I think Othernet is really cool. Don't even need a big dish. In 2kbps, they fit in RSS news feeds (BBC, Al Jazeera, Boing Boing, and others), APRS messages, WikiNews, global winds report, a daily Voice of America news report. Currently only works in Europe and North America, but nice to know there's a middle-of-no-where service that doesn't require a sub that gives you some barebones info from the outside world. Ther…

Wow, thanks for the compliment. Let me know if you have any ideas on how to make it useful to a wider audience.

Upping awareness. Last Youtube video by Tech Minds was 3 years ago. Maybe not a lot has changed, but youtube punishes old content :(

Maybe a Starlink status feed. I can imagine some Starlink customers not having any back-up link to the world in some places.

Text weather forecasts.

CBC news feed if it can fit: https://www.cbc.ca/lite/news?sort=editors-picks

Maybe just include in the North American feed.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

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So you made a throwaway to say this? Did you even read my comment properly? I said average citizens and people like you again go back to propaganda.

Tell me what BJP uses to win elections all the time? Hatred against Muslims?

Top BJP Subramaniyam swami was quoted saying "Muslims are not equals, so they don't need equal rights".

>They preach hatered towards Hindus/Jews in their schools (books are filled with hatred).

Ofcourse, because your propaganda says so? I've met Pakistanis in real life in the US, and none of them want to hate me or kill me even the older generation ones. Also doesn't RSS, VHP, Bajarang dal do the same in India?

Both governments failed us. We're fighting because they say so, tell me on a personal level what you hate about them?

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