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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by jim_inont »

screye wrote: post #162
int_19h wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you claiming that BJP under Modi isn't pushing for "Hindutva", or that the latter is somehow "more inclusive" than the policies that preceded it?

Yes. But not the way you might think. Let me be clear. I am not a Bhakt, don't particularly love Modi and have complained quite often about bad policies during his regime. My goal is to help people build a representative view of India, not one that fawns over Modi. The BJP absolutely pushes for Hindutva, but 'Hindutva' is an umbrella term that can mean anything from 'places greater importance on cultural traditions t…

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by xupybd »

darth_avocado wrote: post #159
1024core wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even in the US, only 15% of households have any backup at all That's because people in the US rarely, if ever, lose power, so there's no need for backups.

So you would suggest countries with more power outages should have higher adoption of power backups? Yet, about 25% of population in Pakistan does not even have access to electricity. [1] Meanwhile the rest of the country frequently is plunged into darkness with millions without electricity. [2] Yet, solar adoption in the country is very low and most of the population does not have any backup power. [1] https://data.…

I know families in Tonga and Vietnam that have generators due to the instability of local power.

I think some countries do have more backups as they have more outages. They just have to be in the range where some can afford the backups.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by xupybd »

Spooky23 wrote: post #147
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

You need some controls. The death of licensed broadcast and high capital investment media like newspapers has damaged society. The notion that modern Nazis would have access to thousands of people was absurd in 1983. In 2023 it’s reality.

I really don't think we are seeing an increase in Nazis in 2023.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by s1artibartfast »

usernew wrote: post #157
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

>The reason for the oppression is, a large portion of every country actually wants to be oppressed.

Nobody wants to be oppressed. A large portion of the population often wants to be oppressors themselves. They are addicted to controlling others. This might be raising tax on X group, or criminalizing Y minority.

Many people don't like voluntary association and choice. They want compelled behavior that conforms to their expectation.

The only way to combat this is to establish a baseline respect for individual autonomy and choice as long as it doesn't harm other people.

Most people are hesitant to allow this because they don't like the choices that others make. Either that or they define harm as doing anything which they don't like.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by lazide »

mlyle wrote: post #126
retrac wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not intrinsic, no. It's possible to design a receiver with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) And not all reception techniques require a local oscillator at all. Still. My point was merely that with an average radio, which was designed to just not be harmfully interfering, such as typical satellite TV receiver? It's quite possibly lit…

> with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) Better testing to compliance standards has pushed LOs down way lower than they were in the 40s-60s. We have relatively cheap high quality spectrum analyzers and big integrated measurements. So-- kinda everyone pushes things down pretty low now. > My point was merely that with an average radio, which…

In countries this would be a problem in right now, satellite TV is often banned too.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by lazide »

mlyle wrote: post #74
lazide wrote: post #70

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Well, that is also fundamentally not an internet.

Well, I thought I made that pretty clear in what I posted. "Maybe the internet as a whole is intractable. But perhaps we can get a meaningful digest of snapshots of the important stuff that can work over slow links, intermittent links, and one-way links ?"

Since the whole point of the internet is, you know, people can request what they want and communicate with others, and they already HAVE people shoving ‘important stuff’ their way, what exactly do you think that adds to the picture?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by tormeh »

mlyle wrote: post #126
retrac wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not intrinsic, no. It's possible to design a receiver with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) And not all reception techniques require a local oscillator at all. Still. My point was merely that with an average radio, which was designed to just not be harmfully interfering, such as typical satellite TV receiver? It's quite possibly lit…

> with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) Better testing to compliance standards has pushed LOs down way lower than they were in the 40s-60s. We have relatively cheap high quality spectrum analyzers and big integrated measurements. So-- kinda everyone pushes things down pretty low now. > My point was merely that with an average radio, which…

Satellite TV receivers are generally frowned upon in authoritarian societies, I believe.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by oreally »

usernew wrote: post #157
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

Doesn't mean you should just give up. We'll need countermeasures and spread information for a set of SOPs.

- A way to post a video of injustice without being traced back

- A way to shoot a video without others knowing

- A way to prove you aren't just a troll or foreign agent

- miniaturizing hardware like your dish so that they can be hidden easily

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by csomar »

usernew wrote: post #157
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

> The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail.

This is hyperbole. A dictator might have the tools to shut off a couple of dissident. But if you have a large portion of the population running these dishes, it's game over.

> Most people are bootlickers. Most people want the type of power structure that ends up with the internet blocked. They don't want freedom - they want to be on the side doing the oppressing.

That's a bit contradictory to what you said a few sentences before. Most people like to be the oppressors but not oppressed.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by FpUser »

usernew wrote: post #157
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

"Most people are bootlickers. Most people want the type of power structure that ends up with the internet blocked. They don't want freedom - they want to be on the side doing the oppressing."

There, you nailed it. I wish I could give you +10 ;)

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