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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by screye »

windex wrote: post #83
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

    I'll give the country 10 years to implode
I am willing to take a bet for any $$ value with 10x odds in your favor to contest that claim.

    more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent
Hot take. If you genuinely cared about these things, you'd end up a supporter of the Modi Govt.

I do not mind views that are diametrically opposite to me. But, every article in western media seems to be written by someone who is 1 degree of separation from the Indian opposition. The claims are never backed by statistics, and the infographics are often so absurd that I have to wonder if I live in an upside-down world. Apparently, India has the 150th [1] least free press in the world and India has been a country with on average 2nd highest chance of genocide [2] for the entire last decade. Dig into their data a little bit, and you realize that they either only interviewed opponents of the current govt. or used zero data what-so-ever.

Note: Modi is the world's most popular leader[3]. About 20% of Muslims and 30% of Christians voted for his 2nd term[4]. For reference, Republicans have never been able to come anywhere close to 20% of the black vote-share, and no is claiming that America will collapse when a Republican wins every alternate election.

The opinion of the average HNer on India, is as bad as a Q-anon supporter on American issues. I apologize for the somewhat angry tone I take on these threads. I do not intend to start a culture war. But when ignorance and arrogance are paired this frivolously, I can't help but respond in kind.

[1] https://rsf.org/en/index

[2] https://earlywarningproject.ushmm.org/countries/india

[3] https://morningconsult.com/global-leader-approval/

[4] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/nationalism-...

[5] my previous rants on the matter - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by 6stringronin »

ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

Its amazing that the brother of the current PM Nawaz Sharif was indicted on literally that charge in the Panama Papers.

Now they are accusing the other side of it and fabricating a case because Imran Khan.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by kumarvvr »

barry-cotter wrote: post #91
windex wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

People have been predicting Pakistan will collapse since 1947. It can’t be as fragile as it looks or it’d be gone already. Regarding India, hoping people who have different values to you suffer isn’t a prediction .

> People have been predicting Pakistan will collapse since 1947

It would have. But decades of war in Afghanistan and the pouring of USD by America, disregarding the very fact that they are funding a well known and open military dictatorship, has kept the country floating.

It is in a deep cycle of debt and has no meaningful economy to speak of.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by pkd »

mildmotive wrote: post #16
adolph wrote: post #3

Khan has been arrested in connection with the Al-Qadir Trust case, in which the former prime minister and his wife have been accused of receiving “billions of rupees from a real estate firm for legalising a laundered amount of Rs 50 billion”, Dawn reported. The former PM has been facing a clutch of cases since his ouster through a no trust vote in April last year. At present, he is facing over 140 cases related to te…

> https://indianexpress.com/ India hates Pakistan. Knowing this, it’s hard not to take what they have to say about Pakistan’s politics with a grain of salt.

Indian print media (The Indian Express is a print publication first and foremost), in my experience, has very legitimate journalism. Most of the vitriol from both sides happens on TV news, not print, and is manufactured for generating views.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by kumarvvr »

screye wrote: post #103
hackernewds wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> drifted apart is a kind way of framing "were partitioned intentionally to foment division, by the departing colonizers"

Not exactly. The brits were to blame for process of partition (or lack there-of). The haste, wanton disregard for life, the casual approach towards the largest refugee crisis in human history was certainly avoidable. They were also to blame for further exacerbating divisions via divide-and-conquer. But the divisions already existed. The idea of a Muslim state had had been stewing for decades in certain circles. It wa…

> The brits were to blame for process of partition

Yeah, no. They took advantage of the divisions created in the population based on religion. Divisions created by Islamic fundamentalist parties.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by mlyle »

retrac wrote: post #109
mlyle wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any receiver using the heterodyne principle (this includes most current digital radio modems) is trivially detected by its local oscillator, often to some considerable range (potentially hundreds of metres). I'm sorry. This is not intrinsic; this is a design choice. Yes, most LOs just care about getting under legal emission masks, but there's nothing to prevent one from bringing it much lower. Further , as I explai…

It's not intrinsic, no. It's possible to design a receiver with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?) And not all reception techniques require a local oscillator at all. Still. My point was merely that with an average radio, which was designed to just not be harmfully interfering, such as typical satellite TV receiver? It's quite possibly lit…

> with its local oscillator emissions to be down to an arbitrarily low emission standard. (But who actually does that?)

Better testing to compliance standards has pushed LOs down way lower than they were in the 40s-60s. We have relatively cheap high quality spectrum analyzers and big integrated measurements. So-- kinda everyone pushes things down pretty low now.

> My point was merely that with an average radio, which was designed to just not be harmfully interfering, such as typical satellite TV receiver?

Yah-- this LNB looks just like a satellite TV receiver, with the exact same LO frequency. So your rogue downlink looks exactly like something that there's hundreds of innocent versions around.

Then a SDR inside your house chooses a different signal from the transponder and gets the data.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

kumarvvr wrote: post #112
ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

The army propped up Imran Khan. Unfortunately for them, IK was too ambitious and rebellious. He started using the army's traditional rhetoric against them. However, due to economic turmoil, IK became very popular right under the nose of the army. This causes more difficulty in removing him for the army, than what they had faced with others. Now, the army and IK are at loggerheads with each other. Essentially a good c…

Down the grapevine (this is the internet so take with a massive grain of salt - I trust my source but you shouldn't trust me or any other anonymous commentator) I heard from Hill adjacent friends that there was some tussle between the upper level Army generals and upper level PTI members surrounding normalizing relations with India following the 2018-19 crisis. Higher ups in the Army wanted to normalize relations as a legacy making project, but certain political actors felt it would be electoral suicide for them if that happened.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by nahnahg »

skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by selimthegrim »

alephnerd wrote: post #116
selimthegrim wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PML-N, the ruling party

Unrelated, but did you find that book I mentioned?

I had to condole a friend’s widow in San Francisco and I did not have time to make it to that neighborhood but next time.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by [deleted] »

ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

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