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Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

Macha wrote: post #159
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #95

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What could you actually do with an Apple Watch though? Sounds like a better solution if you really need a communication link that isn’t as distracting as a smart phone. Texting is still possible, just not very convenient.

Do students these days learn to text without seeing the screen? It strikes me as more difficult to do with a touch screen, but we used to do it with T9 phones back in the day.

Try SwiftKey... Not the same but I can do it without looking that much - and one-handed.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by Brusco_RF »

williamcotton wrote: post #51
jtreminio wrote: post #11

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> Is a red herring and justification for helicopter parents to normalize their micromanaging. We live in Plano, TX, just a few minutes south of the Allen Outlet massacre. Yesterday my son texted me at noon "Shooting threat at school" and "It’s a rumor though but a lot of people are leaving anyway". You can bet your life I was in my car and speeding down the street to get him out ASAP within 60 seconds of receiving th…

Here’s why I downvoted: It actually would have been better if neither your son nor you knew about nearby shooting. It had nothing to do with the school your son was attending. That you responded in a panic is due to a common pattern of miscommunication during an emergency. The least effective response to an emergency is everyone panicking and operating independently of each other and ignorant of the ground truth. How…

I upvoted, because the discussion underneath has been illuminating and I think more people need to see it.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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throw9away6 wrote: post #180
RocketOne wrote: post #8

Its overdue. As a principal I used to ban phones in our school. Back before every kid had one. If they were caught playing on them or if it rang during class, the phone went to the teacher's desk til the end of class. If it happened a second time, it came to my office til the end of the day. And a 3rd violation meant it stayed in my office til the end of the week. That last one rarely happened as any child who lost a…

Did you see the video of the teacher getting pepper sprayed by a student for doing that? Seems like In some places rules a simply unenforceable

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by wetmore »

throwaway50603 wrote: post #176
than3 wrote: post #173

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There really isn't much to debate. Kids are developmentally unable to cope with addiction. Even adults have a hard time, with training, support, and wasted life experience with regard to online gaming. They may move past that addiction, but never really get over it. Current times are just the flashpoint where parents and schools have largely abandoned their core responsibilities.

There is a lot to debate. I don't agree with this "addiction" argument at all. My siblings (much younger, school age) don't have social media by their own volition. Apparently they're immune to this addiction - or perhaps it's not really addiction, but something different. Taking away their phones because others can't handle themselves is wrong. So yeah, a lot to debate.

> Taking away their phones because others can't handle themselves is wrong.

Why, if it's during the school day? What's the advantage of having a phone during class?

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by greedo »

vuln wrote: post #143
rtkwe wrote: post #129

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Sure it shouldn't be but it's the America we have and it's constitutionally difficult to do anything about it with the current interpretation of our second amendment in the Supreme Court.

> constitutionally difficult to do anything about it with the current interpretation of our second amendment in the Supreme Court. Could you explain what’s “difficult” about “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?” It appears to be pretty clear cut to me. I’m not sure how anyone can conclude the opposite.

SCOTUS held quite a different view of the 2nd Amendment for many many years until the efforts of the NRA and gunmakers succeeded in altering this in the last 30 years.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by vuln »

greedo wrote: post #185
vuln wrote: post #143

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> constitutionally difficult to do anything about it with the current interpretation of our second amendment in the Supreme Court. Could you explain what’s “difficult” about “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?” It appears to be pretty clear cut to me. I’m not sure how anyone can conclude the opposite.

SCOTUS held quite a different view of the 2nd Amendment for many many years until the efforts of the NRA and gunmakers succeeded in altering this in the last 30 years.

> SCOTUS held quite a different view of the 2nd Amendment for many many years

Which years specifically before the NRA lobbied for the last 30 years? Anything before 1990? Please be specific.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

flat-pluto wrote: post #67

I'm in favour of keeping phones away from students during school hours - Yondr pouches or storing them in a locker makes sense. It's very unlikely that there will be an emergency that warrants the immediate attention of a school student as it is. Plus, in my high school parents could call in to the school landline to speak to their kids if need be. Teachers have a difficult job as it is, not to mention that they are…

A phone contains private photos, conversations, has authorized access to email, chat and social media accounts, it's a second authentication factor, it has payment cards, saved passwords, browser history, potentially health data (for example, period tracker and medication notification app) and other data that they might not want anybody else to access, or could even cause them problems if the wrong person saw some of (which doesn't mean it'd be something illegal or inappropriate - but some teachers have really weird ideas about how the life of a student should look).

Touching it without permission is unacceptable. Ask the student to put it away, pull them out of the class if they don't - but don't touch the phone.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by 11101010001100 »

GalenErso wrote: post #20
Octokiddie wrote: post #9

Parents have not idea whatsoever of the destruction that phones have wrought on the education system, both in the large and in the small. Students who claim otherwise are gaslighting their parents. Parents are unfortunately all too willing to believe the lies because of course their child is above average and would never completely tune out of class for another hit on the electronic crack pipe. At this point, the pro…

I didn't get my first real phone until after high school, while everyone else had one. I graduated salutatorian. I was able to focus on my homework after school for hours without distractions. I had a computer at home, but it was pretty crappy.

How's your focus now?

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throw9away6 »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #85
coldpie wrote: post #44

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> Even back in time when "snake" was the best mobile "app" around (so old nokia times), Yeah, it's not 1998 anymore. Taking away Snake is not the same as taking away a student's entire social network. It's a hard problem, certainly, and we need to find solutions for it. But the situation has changed and the old solutions aren't acceptable anymore.

Dude you're in class. It's not taking away the entire social network. It's segregating work and play time. If anything, we need to teach kids to lean in to the people around them, not wander off into Internet rabbit holes.

We should but many schools are so behind on teaching stimulating info that kids are bored out of their minds. You got future engineers sitting in class with future car wash employees, and classes are taught to the standard of a struggling car wash employee

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

wetmore wrote: post #184
throwaway50603 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot to debate. I don't agree with this "addiction" argument at all. My siblings (much younger, school age) don't have social media by their own volition. Apparently they're immune to this addiction - or perhaps it's not really addiction, but something different. Taking away their phones because others can't handle themselves is wrong. So yeah, a lot to debate.

> Taking away their phones because others can't handle themselves is wrong. Why, if it's during the school day? What's the advantage of having a phone during class?

There doesn't need to be any advantage. They're not causing any disruptions - nobody should be telling them where to put their property.

A phone contains private photos and conversations, has authorized access to email, chat and (in other cases) social media accounts, it's a second authentication factor, it has payment cards, saved passwords, browser history, potentially health data (for example, period or medication notification app) and other data that they might not want anybody else to access, or could even cause them problems if the wrong person saw some of it (which doesn't mean it'd be something illegal or inappropriate - but some teachers have really weird ideas about how the life of a student should look).

It's perfectly understandable they want to have it under their own sight and control. Touching it without permission is unacceptable.

I have seen kids steal stuff from the teacher's desk/other school property when I still went to school - one kid even stole a RAM stick from a school computer right during class. I would never trust the school's ability to keep my phone secure.

Also - the school day is not 100% class time, there are breaks in between. What they do during breaks is their own business.

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