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Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #170
throwaway50603 wrote: post #164

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You said that if there is a legitimate need they can call the school office or have the office call the parents - so I'd expect the office to handle it. For myself it was mostly that parents could simply call me 5 minutes before they picked me up for my dentist appointment (which I had at least monthly for 7 years due to having braces) instead of me waiting somewhere for who knows how long because there was a traffic…

Yes, I also appreciate the increased flexibility modern comms afford us, but we do indeed have differing definitions of legitimate need.

And that definition is not up to either schools or teachers, but parents and potentially the students (depending on the parents).

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by ilikecakeandpie »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #169
ilikecakeandpie wrote: post #166

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Possibly, but parents/elders coming to have lunch their child/family member is a pretty common practice. Not every day, for sure, but I always thought it was great whenever my older sister or parent/grandparent came to visit me for lunch when I was younger. I'm sure they coordinated with the office, it's not like they just showed up out of the blue. I would hope the world hasn't changed that much, but maybe it has

Anecdote: a client went to see their daughter, and their classmates approached him and hugged him, and this was seen as highly inappropriate, and they ended up having to move schools. That was California. The world is a hugely different place now.

I'm in my 30s and in the Southeast so definitely a different world, positively and negatively, but I don't see how that's inappropriate unless he forced the classmates into hugging him or made some kind of scene.

Duly noted!

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by than3 »

raarts wrote: post #163
ido wrote: post #142

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Is this an American thing? Here in Germany my son is not allowed to have a phone at school. He doesn't have one anyway, but kids that do have to give up their phones in the morning, which are in a locked box and they get them back in the afternoon when they go home. Nobody ever asked us about it, it's simply school policy.

Right now this is also subject of debate in The Netherlands.

There really isn't much to debate.

Kids are developmentally unable to cope with addiction.

Even adults have a hard time, with training, support, and wasted life experience with regard to online gaming. They may move past that addiction, but never really get over it.

Current times are just the flashpoint where parents and schools have largely abandoned their core responsibilities.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by msravi »

ido wrote: post #142
Octokiddie wrote: post #9

Parents have not idea whatsoever of the destruction that phones have wrought on the education system, both in the large and in the small. Students who claim otherwise are gaslighting their parents. Parents are unfortunately all too willing to believe the lies because of course their child is above average and would never completely tune out of class for another hit on the electronic crack pipe. At this point, the pro…

Is this an American thing? Here in Germany my son is not allowed to have a phone at school. He doesn't have one anyway, but kids that do have to give up their phones in the morning, which are in a locked box and they get them back in the afternoon when they go home. Nobody ever asked us about it, it's simply school policy.

Same here in India. Phones are not allowed in class, period. Kids/parents are strongly urged not to send phones, and if it's absolutely required, it's collected in the morning and returned after school.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by raarts »

than3 wrote: post #173
raarts wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now this is also subject of debate in The Netherlands.

There really isn't much to debate. Kids are developmentally unable to cope with addiction. Even adults have a hard time, with training, support, and wasted life experience with regard to online gaming. They may move past that addiction, but never really get over it. Current times are just the flashpoint where parents and schools have largely abandoned their core responsibilities.

Completely agree.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

than3 wrote: post #173
raarts wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now this is also subject of debate in The Netherlands.

There really isn't much to debate. Kids are developmentally unable to cope with addiction. Even adults have a hard time, with training, support, and wasted life experience with regard to online gaming. They may move past that addiction, but never really get over it. Current times are just the flashpoint where parents and schools have largely abandoned their core responsibilities.

There is a lot to debate. I don't agree with this "addiction" argument at all. My siblings (much younger, school age) don't have social media by their own volition. Apparently they're immune to this addiction - or perhaps it's not really addiction, but something different.

Taking away their phones because others can't handle themselves is wrong.

So yeah, a lot to debate.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by grapesurgeon »

if i ever become a parent, i wouldnt give my kids a phone until highschool, and even then i would be heavily restricting their ability to use it for anything besides basic communication and browsing - block social media and porn via dns, disallow installing apps without my permission. signal, email, calls, maps, a browser, notes and camera+pictures. thats it. no stupid social media apps, no games, music would be a maybe if they could demonstrate responsibility to stop listening to it when its time to do a task.

fuck phones.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throw9away6 »

heartbreak wrote: post #48
jtreminio wrote: post #11

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> Is a red herring and justification for helicopter parents to normalize their micromanaging. We live in Plano, TX, just a few minutes south of the Allen Outlet massacre. Yesterday my son texted me at noon "Shooting threat at school" and "It’s a rumor though but a lot of people are leaving anyway". You can bet your life I was in my car and speeding down the street to get him out ASAP within 60 seconds of receiving th…

> You can bet your life I was in my car and speeding down the street to get him out ASAP within 60 seconds of receiving the text. There are multiple layers of “bad” with this. If there is a threat, you’re hindering emergency response. Regardless, you’re putting everyone at risk by “speeding down the street.”

There will be no emergency response. Just a clean up crew. If you get there first you might get in before they Block the entrance and wait for the situation to resolve.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throw9away6 »

alistairSH wrote: post #118
HDThoreaun wrote: post #109

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I don't understand how students having a phone helps in the case of school shootings. The school will call the police and any parents of students injured/killed will also be contacted by the school.

It doesn't (and likely hurts, by clogging cellular infrastructure and roadways). But parents want to know ASAP so they can rush to the school and "help". Probably because police in the US aren't actually required to actively protect people. And have proven incapable of doing the job.

In practice you will show up and wait outside while your kid dies and the police prevent you from helping.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throw9away6 »

RocketOne wrote: post #8

Its overdue. As a principal I used to ban phones in our school. Back before every kid had one. If they were caught playing on them or if it rang during class, the phone went to the teacher's desk til the end of class. If it happened a second time, it came to my office til the end of the day. And a 3rd violation meant it stayed in my office til the end of the week. That last one rarely happened as any child who lost a…

Did you see the video of the teacher getting pepper sprayed by a student for doing that? Seems like In some places rules a simply unenforceable
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