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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by bdougherty »

jbverschoor wrote: post #145
silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

Sure.. who's gonna pay for updates? I don't understand how people on HN can devalue their own profession. By your reasoning, once an application has been released, you're out of a job. Oh hey.. isn't that the current market!

Some people do not need the updates, some will pay a fair value for the updates. Nobody is asking for non-subscription software to be priced the same as the subscription.

Bottom line is that the App Store not having upgrade pricing has forced everything to become a subscription.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by nehal3m »

non-nil wrote: post #407
nehal3m wrote: post #372

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I'll do you one better, I just started the App store on the Mac to check whether they've implemented the same model there. The only music I make is analog, but I'd have liked to try it out for a few bucks.

They offer a 90-day trial. I suppose you should get it while it lasts!

Oh awesome! Thank you for letting me know, I'm gonna check it out.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by HelloImSteven »

lostgame wrote: post #216
hammyhavoc wrote: post #193

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Not been an Apple user since a little while after Steve Jobs passed away, but this is in stark contrast to what people usually say about Airdrop. What I usually hear is that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and how everybody should be using it.

Wow. I’ve seriously actually never heard that once in 15+ years of being a Mac developer and using them full time. I’ve never actually heard anyone, in real life; or offline, recommend, suggest; or even say one single positive thing about AirDrop essentially since its release. It’s easily the most unreliable piece of software integrated into the MacOS/iOS platform, just a feature that has been so fundamentally broken…

I've rarely, if ever, had issues with AirDrop, and I tend to use it for rather larger zip archives.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by gehsty »

bookaway wrote: post #124

Am I the only one that finds the process of getting files of a decent size from non-Apple devices to Apple mobile devices incredibly frustrating, almost enough to be a deal breaker? What is the current best practice for the fastest way to get video files on an IPad as of now?

Thunderbolt port on latest iPad Pros? Aren’t they 40gb/s?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by gcr »

softfalcon wrote: post #359
Slow_Hand wrote: post #343

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While Logic doesn't feature this yet, the closest analog I know of is the Ableton Link protocol which allows users on a network to synchronize their master clock with other users across any app that supports it (Ableton, Pro Tools, Korg sequencers, etc). While simple and meant more of a collaborative feature, this is a tremendously helpful feature that allows people to jump right in to a music-making session and ensu…

How does this handle latency of data transfer? I have worked with professional musicians and the delay of even 10ms across the stage annoys them. I am trying to envision how syncing DAW's through the network could possibly avoid what easily amounts to more than 20ms of delay back and forth between devices. Is this just not an issue for digital music production? It's a massive issue for live music and in-ear-monitors…

Ableton Link only synchronizes the clock, transport, and BPM. No data.

It measures and accounts for latency between devices.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by deergomoo »

grishka wrote: post #329
oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

Still strange that apps that work fully locally and thus don't entail any running costs are a subscription. Adobe did it first but they at least threw in some cloud stuff (that no one uses) to try to justify the subscription.

I’m generally okay with subscriptions for software without running costs if I get to keep using the last version I paid for when I cancel.

Paying hundreds of pounds and having nothing to show for it is fucking lame.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by desro »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #379
clint wrote: post #167

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I've been writing and recording music for 25 years. I wouldn't do it on an iPad if the app paid me. If there was ever a job that requires a mouse and multiple screens even more than coding and design, it's audio engineering. Try editing a piano roll with thousands of MIDI notes, adjusting thousands of automation points and fine tuning EQ settings on a touchscreen. The experience is terrible, and no software can fix t…

I agree with you but also desire a hybrid approach. I've just spent the last ten months nearly full-time doing audio post production for an independent tv/web series in Logic. I can't tell you how often I've wanted to reach into the screen and touch/drag/edit clips in a comprehensive-multitouch-kinda way.

You can take my mouse and keyboard from my cold dead hands, but a multitouch augmentation (beyond what the "magic trackpad" gets ya) could be insanely useful (hoping it's a part of the AR future).

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mirkules »

gampleman wrote: post #192
basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

Also if you want to do just one project (i.e. you don't produce music/video for a living, but you know enough to do your own stuff), then you can probably get away with paying $5 a month for just enough months to finish your project. That was a use case completely uncatered for with a $400 one-off license fee.

But you are not paying $5/month. That’s a gimmick. You are pre-paying a full year’s worth. It’s like paying (almost) full price but for only a year’s worth of use.

For Adobe, at least, the actual monthly rate is way higher.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jmmcd »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #129
pdpi wrote: post #100

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for music production? I can see how you'd carry a midi keyboard but no keyboard for typing.

Real musicians type on a midi keyboard. I mean their text doesn't make sense because their alphabet has only seven letters, but still. (I jest!)

Well, you have 7 letters, but you can also use the black keys for keyboard shortcuts.

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Post by chx »

Kerrick wrote: post #113
kotaKat wrote: post #60

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It'd be interesting to see them modify their Apple One tiers. Split out Premier to a "Premier home" tier (keeping News+ and Fitness+) and a "Pro" tier at the same price that gives you 4TB of iCloud Drive + Logic and Final Cut instead of the 2TB/News/Fitness option.

I'm not certain, but I think Apple including video editing software in a subscription called "Premier Pro" might anger Adobe's lawyers.

It would be mighty entertaining see Adobe calling Apple out.
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