Subscription! Even Apple has fallen. This is really disappointing.
Yup the very first subscription offering from Apple was announced today
Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
#342More companies should just adopt Jetbrains model. Month subscription available, but by paying the annual subscription you get a perpetual license for the last release covered by your purchase, which makes an annual subscription pretty much the same as "buy with 1 year of updates".
iOS devices don't support downloading specific versions of apps, and you cannot sideload. Apple has made this model impossible on iOS.
> and you cannot sideload
not yet, and most likely just not in the us
but due to the european union digital markets act, apple will have to allow for side loading, and somebody was speculating it will only be in the EU.
Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
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As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.
I recently did a gig with a quad cortex and honestly I couldn't shake the feeling of just wishing I could have all my Plugins (FabFilter, SoundToys, NAM and NeuralDSP mostly) instead. iPad, good interface, some bluetooth switch/expression pedal and all the same plugins I have at home would be amazing for me. Just curious if anyone knows. Suppose a band of the future is just a few players who show up with iPads (guita…
While Logic doesn't feature this yet, the closest analog I know of is the Ableton Link protocol which allows users on a network to synchronize their master clock with other users across any app that supports it (Ableton, Pro Tools, Korg sequencers, etc).
While simple and meant more of a collaborative feature, this is a tremendously helpful feature that allows people to jump right in to a music-making session and ensure that their rig is going to be synced up with others in a musical meaningful way.
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Why wouldn't you, very similar workflow and more portable. For sketching ideas you don't need multi terrabyte Kontakt plugins.
If you just want to sketch ideas, garage band could be enough. I mean both a Mac and iPad are quite portable, but i do see if you just want to professionally develop music on the cheap, iPad it is, you will have a hard time with the screen size however if you want to anything with many instruments and tracks
Yea, granted. I don't have any issues carrying my m2 air about for writing but it's still a bit cumbersome vs. ipad and I'll be trying out the new version for sure. Just seems complimentary rather than binary.
Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
#345I was about to wish Apple had made Logic Pro free or cheap for students / hobbyists, and a $5/month subscription does that. I've want to get into sound design but not going to drop $1000s on software.
Though I wish they'd do something like Kilohearts, where subscribing for enough time basically gives you a perpetual license (https://kilohearts.com/products/kilohearts_subscription#rewa...). It's good because if I pick up something and then drop it I can just cancel the subscription, but if I decide to keep using it until I reach the price point I get to keep it.
Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
#346Holy f**… how on earth will any other DAW vendor compete with that price? Logic already was crazy cheap, but now the price really just seems to be to boost iPad sales.
It’s amazing what you get for $5/month here. But I’m a bit worried about innovation if everyone gets used to these prices.
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It's interesting as they was a big uproar weeks ago when audio plugins developer Waves tried to move to a subscription only model (they caved in four days).
There's a big difference in earned trust. Waves has had scummy business practices for a long time - price gouging back in the day, and more recently, an "upgrade plan" that amounts to a barely optional subscription already. That is, unless you don't want bug fixes, M1 compatibility, etc. They also have perpetual sales cycles that only serve to trick new customers into thinking the sale price is actually a deal and no…
This seems like a silly comparison. Obviously the people buying Wavves plugins trust them enough to buy the software. Wavves has always been a little scummy, sure, but it's not like Apple is a guardian angel themselves. They saw an opportunity to make money, and Tim Cook made the predictable move of pushing the "service" button on a new software product.
All of these companies are making the wrong decision, and refusing to stand by their products because their runtime is too fragile to stay put. Apple is complicit in this problem, and uses it as an excuse to sell you more services than products. They could work to solve the issue of subscription software being required for perpetual update models - but they don't. They are put in a position where perverse incentives (like the App Store monopoly) is their de-facto solution. This is bad for users. It's why I left the ecosystem and how Apple burned their "trust" with me.
> trick new customers into thinking the sale price is actually a deal
Wow, it's almost like you're describing Apple's "sale" model verbatim. Constantly offer 5-10% discounts at big-box stores to make people think they're getting good deals, and unload used models with upsell marketing like "factory refurbished" or some such language.
Which one of them are you comparing to the car salesman again?
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GarageBand was always pretty decent on iPad back in the day, at least as a scratchpad for ideas. But yes, this is exciting. I'd quite like to see something like Ableton or Bitwig make its way onto iPad as well.
Ableton on iPad would be such a great fit, especially the session clip view.
Have you tried Ableton Note? It's not a 1 to 1 version of Ableton, but it streamlines a lot of the features to make the equivalent of musical sketching app. You can then save your session and it opens perfectly in Ableton Live.
I'm not a huge fan of music apps on iOS, but I played with it briefly and it's quite good. They've really done a great job to make it a very musical tool within the limitations of an iPhone (and presumably iPad).
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That is not at all the obvious market; people in the HN bubble are just ignorant of the creative world and love to shit on Apple. The iPad is already huge for content creation among professions. It has made a huge dent in the tablet market (think Wacom), and is heavily used by professional artists. The audio options are amazing and USB midi output on instruments is very common now and works with iPads. An actual comp…
> people in the HN bubble are just ignorant of the creative world and love to shit on Apple. defensive much? I didn't see anything even remotely resembling shit in GP's comment. You'd probably have a better time on the internet (HN at least) if you don't go around looking for things to be offended by whether they're intended or not.
To be fair, nearly every Apple thread features several stubbornly out-of-touch programmers sneering at iOS devices as "consumption-only" or something similar, usually with a tone that makes you expect to see the word "sheeple" occur. If we had a bingo card for HN Apple threads, you could just go ahead and make that the free space, the effect would be practically the same.
Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
#350Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…
The iPad is not an entry point to the ecosystem; the difference with Macs in terms of modality of use is too stark. The Macs are simply meant to eventually go away. From the perspective of Apple, they are a legacy coccyx. For them the iPad, where nothing is replaceable and Apple is in full control of content distribution, is the superior form of computing.
Developers have been begging for years to be able to code for iPad on iPad, wouldn’t allowing this be an easy first step towards the iPad only dystopia? Do you have an explanation for why it’s still almost impossible?