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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by andybak »

dagmx wrote: post #58
smoldesu wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even as a paying Bitwig subscriber, I don't get it. My instruments are velocity and aftertouch sensitive. Having a touchscreen interface for these instruments is no better than typing on your keyboard to play notes. And then if you want to plug in hardware, you have to either settle for one thing and no charging or buy a dongle. > being able to switch between my live instrument and an on screen virtual one is a big d…

You don’t need to get it. You do you. Every time you’ve replied to one of my comments in the past, it’s been very binary in terms of workflows and the discussions always devolve. So this time I’m leaving it as: I explained why it’s a big deal for me. If you have your own workflows or needs, so be it. But it’s irrelevant to why I like it. I don’t need velocity for a quick idea for example. I just need to get the idea…

Ah, I was going to join in with my own thoughts but this conversation seems to have gotten a little... personal...

For the record, I find touchscreen interfaces rather underwhelming. I've tried to love my iPad for creative purposes but I just find trackpad/mouse + keyboard faster and more versatile.

Of course - both pale in comparison to physical buttons. I dream of a touchscreen with really convincing haptics. That would be the best of both worlds.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by SilverBirch »

NickC25 wrote: post #28

Neat....although sad that it's via a subscription model, rather than buying the program outright. That said, what's the point of this? Everyone works off laptops already, even people new to A/V production. Especially in the audio world, laptops are just so much more convenient because you can host 3rd party plugins and other stuff like sample libraries. Can't do that on an iPad, can you?

To a certain extent you have to ask what does a one-off purchase of an App mean any more. We got to a point on desktop where you could buy a windows XP application and it'd last forever, and that's fine. Or even a OS X application for several years. But mobile operating systems are still a treadmill. If you buy the app what are you getting? This version and no updates? That's not how iOS works. Will it support future iOS versions? Do you get the new features? Can you install it on a new device if you buy a new device? You bought it one off, if a new version of iOS comes out and the old app isn't supported what do you do?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by rebolek »

basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

People have different nightmares. My nightmare is yet another subscription.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mattlutze »

dmreedy wrote: post #44
spacephysics wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As many readers here probably understand from first hand experience, software isn’t a final product (typically). The majority of software requires maintenance and any ongoing feature updates have a continual cost on the company. If they asked for a subscription and said, no more updates after tomorrow, then sure that’s Bs. But especially for something like Final Cut, you’ll get continual updates and feature improveme…

I don't think the concern is that the subscription doesn't bring value. Just that it builds no equity. Once the renting agreement ends, you lose all the access you once had, not just access to future things to come. (edit: I don't know if this is actually true of Final Cut Pro's model)

It's generally better for your finances to not pay 100% of a committment today if interest on payments is below the immediate return of how you'd otherwise use the money.

The way we use a platform over time changes, as does options in the market and the way a business treats that platform. If we can export and keep our IP that was developed through the platform, it's not a bad thing to have the option to cut and run without having sunk purchase costs.

It also provides a signal for the business's product team to use with finance to argue for how to continue updating the product. Ongoing engagement metrics and new conversions are continually reviewed. How those change with the release of, or marketing of, different features directly drives the development of the platform—it should in the best case see a more useful product in our hands over time.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mynameisvlad »

Applejinx wrote: post #78
tigeroil wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess, based on the fact that Logic Pro and FCP, in the nicest way I can say this, haven't had any meaningful core upgrades in a while, is that they're planning some fairly major updates on macOS for both and the plan is to release them as new, subscription-only versions later this year.

Glad I moved to Reaper, then. Mind you, I'm still running Final Cut for video making. Hope I don't have to bail on that too. I'll keep running the version I have, but much like I don't use Adobe at all, I won't run such a program if I have to rent it. Exception, XCode :D most certainly have to pay yearly for that! But I view it as paying for authorization as an Apple dev, not so much as 'for the app itself'.

You can download XCode without a dev membership, so you're definitely not paying for it either way.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by smoldesu »

andybak wrote: post #81
dagmx wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need to get it. You do you. Every time you’ve replied to one of my comments in the past, it’s been very binary in terms of workflows and the discussions always devolve. So this time I’m leaving it as: I explained why it’s a big deal for me. If you have your own workflows or needs, so be it. But it’s irrelevant to why I like it. I don’t need velocity for a quick idea for example. I just need to get the idea…

Ah, I was going to join in with my own thoughts but this conversation seems to have gotten a little... personal... For the record, I find touchscreen interfaces rather underwhelming. I've tried to love my iPad for creative purposes but I just find trackpad/mouse + keyboard faster and more versatile. Of course - both pale in comparison to physical buttons. I dream of a touchscreen with really convincing haptics. That…

Or 3D touch! Aftertouch and velocity are both possible on a touchscreen, the tech just never lived long enough to give it an earnest try. I'd be very curious to see how that works if someone had a POC up and running, doubly so with good haptics.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by metaltyphoon »

carlosjobim wrote: post #72
oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

People are broke and too undisciplined to save up even a little money, so normal software prices look huge in their eyes. That's why subscriptions and splitting a purchase is coming to everything now. It won't take long before the cashier in your local supermarket will ask you if you want to pay everything at once or divide after ringing up your stuff.

That's what literally happens in Brazil, where you can even pay gas on a card and have it split into multiple payments.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by basisword »

rebolek wrote: post #83
basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

People have different nightmares. My nightmare is yet another subscription.

Then you’re probably not the target market. I would have loved this when I was younger and $5 a month was easy/$200 one off was impossible.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by edude03 »

retskrad wrote: post #2

I’m sorry but not even the actors in the promo video in this announcement can sell the idea that video editing on a touch device is a good idea. No professional video editor will use Final Cut on the iPad. It’s horribly ineffcient. It feels like Apple has no idea what to do with the iPad Pro. The product hasn’t evolved at all since 2018.

This is basically the "no true Scotsman" argument. Your definition of professional video editor seems to not include people like YouTube/TikTok/Instagram content creators who are already "professionally editing" videos on their phones and iPads and making good money I might add.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mynameisvlad »

nottorp wrote: post #73
crazygringo wrote: post #57

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Right, but that's the tradeoff and it's a good tradeoff for many. If you only need Final Cut Pro for a 2-month project, it's amazing because you'll save so much money. And any time you need it again, you just resubscribe. You're never losing access permanently, it's just $5 away. The point is that the flexibility and ongoing updates are a more beneficial tradeoff. A lot of people (like myself) simply don't care about…

> It's just a tool, and it loses value over time without updates anyways. Why? It will continue to do exactly the same thing. If that thing had no value to you why are you getting it? Edit: > Because the world moves forward. Something that might have worked well 5 years ago but has had no updates or improvements to keep up with competition is ultimately not as useful as it once was. Not everything is a javascript lib…

Because the world moves forward. Something that might have worked well 5 years ago but has had no updates or improvements to keep up with competition is ultimately not as useful as it once was. Depending on how good other software has gotten, it very well could be a case of wasting money by not switching over depending on how much you value your time.
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