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The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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Or, to put it another way, average commenters are fighting against coordinated groups of state actors just to have genuine discussions. And it would shock me if Vietnam was a leader in this space. It's like how ads pit big bags of mostly water against billions of dollars worth of psychological manipulation. Us mere mortals have no chance.

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Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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This will become even easier now with TrollGPT and similar tooling, you can have one person manage and monitor thousands of accounts and step in where necessary, and the computer program won't accidentally forget to logout of one account when replying to another.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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Does Facebook have rules that are consistently applied to every country? AFAIK, Facebook complies with the local governments' requirements everywhere it operates even though they will occasionally publicize some resistance.

There is no local law in Vietnam that says "you must allow the state's army of troll bots to harass anyone in the world that speaks Vietnamese". Facebook isn't complying with any local law here, and the behaviour in question isn't isolated to users in Vietnam. They are turning a blind eye to avoid retaliation for applying the same rules they'd apply elsewhere.

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Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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The UK has the 77th Brigade for this: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/inside-the-77th-brigade-brit... It has allegedly targeted Covid policy dissenters like Peter Hitchens.

I'm sure almost all countries do it at some scale or another, like the US government's manipulation of Twitter that was recently brought to light.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Facebook have rules that are consistently applied to every country? AFAIK, Facebook complies with the local governments' requirements everywhere it operates even though they will occasionally publicize some resistance.

There is no local law in Vietnam that says "you must allow the state's army of troll bots to harass anyone in the world that speaks Vietnamese". Facebook isn't complying with any local law here, and the behaviour in question isn't isolated to users in Vietnam. They are turning a blind eye to avoid retaliation for applying the same rules they'd apply elsewhere.

This is why I said local governments' requirements rather than laws. Those can be very different. As we have seen in US and elsewhere, intelligence agencies, institutions, and politicians exert influence in many ways. Most of this is opaque, but occasionally we get some leaks like the Twitter Files that reveal what is really going on.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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post #3

Or, to put it another way, average commenters are fighting against coordinated groups of state actors just to have genuine discussions. And it would shock me if Vietnam was a leader in this space. It's like how ads pit big bags of mostly water against billions of dollars worth of psychological manipulation. Us mere mortals have no chance.

Yeah, I wonder what conversations of society would have looked like in an alternative universe without any distractors. I would assume a lot different.

I once read is that if an activist movement rises they prop a flawed individual, find as much as info as they can, and at an opportune moment they ‘out’ the leader.

Apparently this happened with the Occupy movement.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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I thought Prez in Vietname is more or less powerless position. Real power lies in the Central Military Commision and Party General Secretary just like China.

Party Secretary is #1 (always). Prime Minister and President is #2 and #3, with exact power ordering depends on the specific person in the role. Head of Congress is #4 with some distance with the other 3 roles. Supposedly, the top 3 role has almost the same power and that was how we keep dictator in check. All three positions are in the Central Military Commission. China uses a different system, they have a designate…

Yes, the order of power is correct. However, I think he is a bit different since he is seen as the #1 candidate to be succeeding the Party Secretary position in the near future.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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So Facebook is complicit in allowing its platform to be weaponized by the state against all speakers of Vietnamese (in and outside of the country). When questioned, they simply shrug their shoulders and say "if we did anything to stop this, our platform would be banned in Vietnam." I'm beyond the point of expecting anything more from Facebook, but I would think the US government should have some leverage here. Vietna…

I believed that Zuck was a bit of a wannabe frat boy (definitely not an actual one), who was a bit of 'boys will be boys', but in the end, a 'good guy'.

It's taken me years but I think he's a 'bad guy'.

I think he'll err always on the side of money and really strongly look the other way.

I think it might have a lot to do with isolation.

Also, weirdly, I think Zuck, Musk get 'attacked' for their actions, and knowing that most of their actions are not really bad, they get defensive and reactionary. I think they lose their grounding and get deluded.

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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What does this have to do with trolling? Don't they actually mean censoring/silencing?

As far as I know the definition of a troll is "someone who posts inflammatory, irrelevant, offensive or other disruptive content to get a (bad) reaction from others". Are they doing that?

Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon

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Or, to put it another way, average commenters are fighting against coordinated groups of state actors just to have genuine discussions. And it would shock me if Vietnam was a leader in this space. It's like how ads pit big bags of mostly water against billions of dollars worth of psychological manipulation. Us mere mortals have no chance.

Russia is known to have loads of trolls on the government payroll. I am under the impression that western governments don't do this but who knows...

Last month, The DOJ filed charges against 44 members of the Chinese MPS troll army.
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